Mayweather's IV injection (Master thread)

[Mr. Punch-Out!!]

lol...It's now apart of the image YOU have of him and a vocal mass of ppl who hate Floyd. On the flip side the other half of people believe he worked hard and didn't cut any corners. And that's what I tend to believe.

It's part of his image period. The only people who think otherwise are his blind, devoted followers. There's no "other half of people".

Haven't all the questions been answered? He took blood before and after with all test coming out negative. What more do you want? You yourself admitted that this wont go away even if everyone involved "clears it up". If they were to do this (which in my opinion they have) people would still be on here saying Floyd is using something. So tell me what does it benefit Floyd to keep trying to convince you he is clean?

Still no answer for why he wasn't taken to the hospital? Still no answer for why he took an illegal amount of IVs? Still no answer for the conflicting stories we keep hearing?

And I didn't say it won't go away even if everyone involved clears it up. The thing is, they CAN'T clear this up, otherwise, it would have been done a long time ago. But no, the damage has been done. If they can't talk without making themselves look bad (like they already have), then it's best to just shut up about the whole thing...and that's when they wait for people like you to come in, actually believing that the story has "gone away" when that's FAR from the truth.

[Zaroku]

Loooooool. Probably went nuts again like he did after May 2. He is quality entertainment.

I didn't start posting until sept of this year. What are you guys talking about?

[ADP02]

After reading over 100 pages of this non sense, here's my one and only post. If you quote it don't expect me to respond because I won't.

First and foremost you cannot predict you're going to be dehydrated. Therefore Floyd could not have listed this on the form unless it occurred prior to him completing the form.
Secondly, although Ellerbe supposedly stated that Floyd became dehydrated from giving blood and over training, for all we know Floyd could have eaten something after the weigh in to cause him to have and epic shat or had him relentlessly vomiting. Might I add both of which can make you severely dehydrated to where drinking fluids will not bring your body back to homeostasis in less than 24 hours.
Third, no fighter wants to tip their opponent to their physical weakness. Doing so opens the opportunity for their opponent to exploit it. (please don't start with the Floyd grabbed Manny's right arm and tried to dislocate his shoulder shat). Going to the hospital would have definitely got back to TR and they would have known to press FMJ relentlessly, regarding what he did to keep Manny off him. Insuring the general public never got wind of this allowed Floyd to keep Manny flustered and confused as to how to get around the lead right hand.
No matter how folks want to cut it, slice it, and/or dice it, he was tested prior to the IV and directly after the IV and the test were negative. This entire process was monitored by a USADA official so filing a written request and receiving written approval was nothing more than a matter of a clerical formality because the IV was approved verbally before it was administered. Had it not been, Greedy Bob would have been all over this and trying to sue Floyd for his entire take from the fight. Bob has done nothing.
USADA and NSAC have approved this retroactively so this really is a mute point. The fight is over. Manny lost.
Folks are entitled to their opinion but I can't see USADA and NSAC staking the organizations on a FMJ cover-up. FMJ has not made them enough money nor can he make them enough money for them to cover his a$$. In addition, FMJ does not have enough money to buy them off. If you think he does then you're dreaming in my opinion.
I see all the hoopla regarding this as nothing more than a campaign to drum up a rematch. If TR/Team Pac and its associates and supporters can make enough noise and get folks in a frenzy like they were prior to this fight occurring with the belief that Manny can destroy Floyd, somehow it will force a second bout.
Folks its over please let it rest.

The problem with what you said is the following:
- When USADA went get the urine sample, Floyd said he couldn't give the required quantity. Why? Because he was dehydrated! So to say, they knew this issue BEFORE they even went to the weigh in and even before they filled out that form.
- The excuse they gave was after the fact. Right? So they would have brought up those other possibilities that you mentioned but did not. Also by you saying what you said, you are pretty much agreeing that their excuses were all BS.
- Lets say that what you said was the case. Then even if it wasn't on the original form, Floyd had to let the commissions know about what they took between the weigh in and the fight. For some substances and methods, that is the most important time and must be told to the commissions.
- Even though he does have lots of money, its not just Floyd. Also those connected to them can give the money and the cash flow can be continuous(eg. Al Haymon). Also, it does not have to be the whole organization that is corrupt. Just key individuals.
- USADA monitored? What was that USADA rep qualified to do? USADA rep was no doctor. All that means is that there was someone "watching" Floyd getting an IV.
- This "tipping your opponent" excuse was also mentioned for Manny's shoulder but USADA, NSAC, Floyd fans and even some Manny fans called all that BS. Remember? You can't intentionally hide something for that reason.

The commissions need to be informed just so that their own doctors can evaluate and make their own informed opinion on what transpired.

[mathed]

Calls Pac a steroid cheat but settles out of court when they subpoena his medical records. Calls Ariza a steroid peddler, then hires him and consults Heroidia about "improving his power". Lied about using Xylocane. Says he gets vampire facials and his description of the process is identical to the process described by Lance Armstrong when talking about how he used to defeat PED tests. Gets caught on film making drug testers wait hours before submitting to a urine sample which is identical to what other professional athletes have done when trying to avoid submitting samples when using EPO cremes to alter testosterone levels. Gets caught using an illegal IV in his house containing a volume of saline capable of acting as a masking agent to dilute PEDS, another tactic used by infamous Lance Armstrong to avoid PED detection.

I mean come on, wake up and smell the coffee or whatever.

[Zaroku]

The problem with what you said is the following:
- When USADA went get the urine sample, Floyd said he couldn't give the required quantity. Why? Because he was dehydrated! So to say, they knew this issue BEFORE they even went to the weigh in and even before they filled out that form.
- The excuse they gave was after the fact. Right? So they would have brought up those other possibilities that you mentioned but did not. Also by you saying what you said, you are pretty much agreeing that their excuses were all BS.
- Lets say that what you said was the case. Then even if it wasn't on the original form, Floyd had to let the commissions know about what they took between the weigh in and the fight. For some substances and methods, that is the most important time and must be told to the commissions.
- Even though he does have lots of money, its not just Floyd. Also those connected to them can give the money and the cash flow can be continuous(eg. Al Haymon). Also, it does not have to be the whole organization that is corrupt. Just key individuals.
- USADA monitored? What was that USADA rep qualified to do? USADA rep was no doctor. All that means is that there was someone "watching" Floyd getting an IV.
- This "tipping your opponent" excuse was also mentioned for Manny's shoulder but USADA, NSAC, Floyd fans and even some Manny fans called all that BS. Remember? You can't intentionally hide something for that reason.

The commissions need to be informed just so that their own doctors can evaluate and make their own informed opinion on what transpired.

What are you going to do about it????
Nothing. Or so it seems. I want this out and investigated. How do we do it, when it is already being forgotten????

Raw deal, or so it seems, where do we go from here.

I don't know the actual facts, nor am I qualified to adjudicate the facts.

Justice for PAC.

Get it. I will support you.
But how???

[GTTofAK]

He took blood before and after with all test coming out negative.

You dont know that. USADA says that but they dont show the records to anyone. When their records were subpenaed there as a quick settlement. We know for a fact that USADA was sitting on two series of positive A and B samples in the Morales case and hadn't told the NYSAC.

How many other times have they just kept testing a fighter until they get a clean sample?

[Zaroku]

You dont know that. USADA says that but they dont show the records to anyone. When their records were subpenaed there as a quick settlement. We know for a fact that USADA was sitting on two series of positive A and B samples in the Morales case and hadn't told the NYSAC.

How many other times have they just kept testing a fighter until they get a clean sample?

Great post! I don't want to emulate Rath, but disprove him if you can.

For me, boxing history demands it. Jack Johnson who got jacked, demands it. My university motto is "fiat Lux". Let there be light. Let there always be light & fairness.

We owe it to fans, Warriors, & history.

Let there be light.
Be fair to all.

An investigation needs to happen.

Clear it up.

[DeadLikeMe]

You dont know that. USADA says that but they dont show the records to anyone. When their records were subpenaed there as a quick settlement. We know for a fact that USADA was sitting on two series of positive A and B samples in the Morales case and hadn't told the NYSAC.

How many other times have they just kept testing a fighter until they get a clean sample?

The fact that you can't even understand a concept like medical confidentiality is quite telling.

[radioraheem]

You dont know that. USADA says that but they dont show the records to anyone. When their records were subpenaed there as a quick settlement. We know for a fact that USADA was sitting on two series of positive A and B samples in the Morales case and hadn't told the NYSAC.

How many other times have they just kept testing a fighter until they get a clean sample?

USADA already refuted the Hauser account that they didn't inform NYSAC of the Morales positive samples, with specific dates. And that is the fact. Another fact is that it's been two weeks since USADA smashed Hauser's shoddy reporting, and he still has yet to respond.

[radioraheem]

What are you going to do about it????
Nothing. Or so it seems. I want this out and investigated. How do we do it, when it is already being forgotten????

Raw deal, or so it seems, where do we go from here.

I don't know the actual facts, nor am I qualified to adjudicate the facts.

Justice for PAC.

Get it. I will support you.
But how???

These guys think they are going to win justice for him, or bring the big bad Mayweather down through their posts. We have been trying to help them, but they can't seem to help themselves.