Mayweather's IV injection (Master thread)

[Lester Tutor]

So USADA gave their explanation..

But they didn't a thorough reason why Floyd needed 750ml of IV shots? They just said he needed it. Why is that USADA?


Fact is, 50ml for 6 hours is the deal...not 750ml...So why allow that USADA?

You know damn well 750 ml turns it into a masking something.


RED FLAG!

I expect Hauser to gun these people down.

I guess point systems are easy to acquire on this forum I should come here more often. You state, ''50ml for 6 hours is the deal.'' Do you even know standard practices in the medical world? The only context regarding ''50ml'' is regarding the use for a TUE on WADA's code, since every entity MUST have reason to use something via IV or Injection. IF in the event that ANY fighter becomes feels dehydrated an IV was agreed by both fighters for retroactive use, and keep in mind both fighters being monitored before and after and tested from any The****utic procedure on site.

Regarding a schooling for Dehydration global practice, learn this:

An infant of 4 months of about 5kg in weight NEEDS 200-400 ml over a 4 hour period, or 50ml per hour, the rate at which fluids go into the body.

A 15 year old weighing around 50kg needs a rate of 2000ml per 4 hours, rather 500ml per hour rate.

[Spoon23]

Hauser asking for the urine tests with all CIR tests since Mosely.

USADA will look the other way here. I have a feeling they already threw those tests in the trash since it shows they were candidates for athletes that are suspect and those athletes passed under them.

Hauser still looking for usada's answer to why he was able to administer 750 ml of ivs. To Hauser defense all an athlete needs is oral hydration. Drinking water or gatorade is always the best way rather than IVs. Ivs are for severe cases where in an athlete had to shed severe weight drop.

Look for USADA to squirm their way out to not answering why 750 of fluids in one shot is okay. They won;t be able to answer this..

Because, 750 ml of saline becomes a masking agent. That is why wada don't allow this method.

[Spoon23]

I guess point systems are easy to acquire on this forum I should come here more often. You state, ''50ml for 6 hours is the deal.'' Do you even know standard practices in the medical world? The only context regarding ''50ml'' is regarding the use for a TUE on WADA's code, since every entity MUST have reason to use something via IV or Injection. IF in the event that ANY fighter becomes feels dehydrated an IV was agreed by both fighters for retroactive use, and keep in mind both fighters being monitored before and after and tested from any The****utic procedure on site.

Regarding a schooling for Dehydration global practice, learn this:

An infant of 4 months of about 5kg in weight NEEDS 200-400 ml over a 4 hour period, or 50ml per hour, the rate at which fluids go into the body.

A 15 year old weighing around 50kg needs a rate of 2000ml per 4 hours, rather 500ml per hour rate.

learn this, 750 ml off saline turns into a masking agent.

Learn this, oral hydration is still the best way to cure hydration. Drink 20 bottles of gatorade should do the trick. right? or a gallon of water if you'd wish.. it's only for sever cases when I guy passes out or is very sick that they can't even open their mouth to drink. I don't think FLoyd was severely sick that he can't open his mouth to drink. Coz he fought a day after that with Pacquiao and fought 12 rounds.

Oral hydration is still the best way. I've been dehydrated in my lifetime. All I needed is a glass of ice cold lemon juice to quench my thirst.

750 ml of fluids turns into a masking agent, hence, wada don't allow this practice.

[Lester Tutor]

Hauser asking for the urine tests with all CIR tests since Mosely.

USADA will look the other way here. I have a feeling they already threw those tests in the trash since it shows they are candidates for athletes that are suspect.

Hauser still looking for usada's answer to why he was able to administer 750 ml of ivs. To Hauser defense all an athlete needs is oral hydration. Drinking water or gatorade is always the best way rather than IVs. Ivs are for severe cases where in an athlete had to shed severe weight drop.

Look for USADA to squirm their way to not answering why 750 of fluids in one shot is okay. They can't answer this..

Because, 750 ml of saline becomes a masking agent. That is why wada don't allow this method.

Do you know what an IV bag looks like? Please show me a 50ml IV bag and the benefit of 50ml for rehydration. lol Again, reading out of context information is sad. No wonder the USA does poor in academic standards.

[Spoon23]

Do you know what an IV bag looks like? Please show me a 50ml IV bag and the benefit of 50ml for rehydration. lol Again, reading out of context information is sad. No wonder the USA does poor in academic standards.

Jeez man you're thick.

That is why I'm saying 50ml or 750 ml of saline is not really meant for hydration. It's for masking buddy.

Oral hydration aka drinking by using your mouth will do the trick. A few bottles of gatorade. A few glasses of water is still the best way to cure dehydration.

Hence, 750 ml in one go is suspect. Floyd didn't need those. Especially when he was 150 lbs 30 days before the fight. All he needed is to open his mouth and drink a lot of water.

750ml becomes a masking agent buddy. Get up to speed.

[Lester Tutor]

750 ml of fluids turns into a masking agent, hence, wada don't allow this practice.

Again dear friend, can you read? Here are the official WADA Prohibited List code:

https://wada-main-prod.s3.amazonaws.com/resources/files/wada_medical_info_iv_infusions_4.0_en.pdf

1. Introduction
Intravenous (IV) infusions have been included on the WADA List of Prohibited
Substances and Methods under section M2. Prohibited Methods, Chemical and
Physical Manipulation since 2005. They are prohibited both in- and out-of competition.

The current wording in the 2015 Prohibited List states that Intravenous infusions and/or injections of more than 50 mL per 6 hour period are prohibited except for those legitimately received in the course of hospital admissions, surgical procedures or clinical investigations (1).

FROM WADA Direct:
© WADA - World Anti-Doping Program
Version 4.0
February 2015

If a non-prohibited substance is infused or injected without a concurrent hospital admission, surgical procedure or clinical investigation; a TUE must be submitted for this Prohibited Method if more than 50 mL of fluid per a 6-hour period is infused or injected.

If a Prohibited Substance is administered via IV infusion or injection a TUE
application must be submitted for the Prohibited Substance regardless of
whether the infusion is less than 50 mL or the setting/circumstances under
which it is administered. In situations of medical emergency or clinical time
constraints, a retroactive TUE application is acceptable (ISTUE 2015 article 4.3).

[Spoon23]

Again dear friend, can you read? Here are the official WADA Prohibited List code:

https://wada-main-prod.s3.amazonaws.com/resources/files/wada_medical_info_iv_infusions_4.0_en.pdf

1. Introduction
Intravenous (IV) infusions have been included on the WADA List of Prohibited
Substances and Methods under section M2. Prohibited Methods, Chemical and
Physical Manipulation since 2005. They are prohibited both in- and out-of competition.

The current wording in the 2015 Prohibited List states that Intravenous infusions and/or injections of more than 50 mL per 6 hour period are prohibited except for those legitimately received in the course of hospital admissions, surgical procedures or clinical investigations (1).

FROM WADA Direct:
© WADA - World Anti-Doping Program
Version 4.0
February 2015

If a non-prohibited substance is infused or injected without a concurrent hospital admission, surgical procedure or clinical investigation; a TUE must be submitted for this Prohibited Method if more than 50 mL of fluid per a 6-hour period is infused or injected.

If a Prohibited Substance is administered via IV infusion or injection a TUE
application must be submitted for the Prohibited Substance regardless of
whether the infusion is less than 50 mL or the setting/circumstances under
which it is administered. In situations of medical emergency or clinical time
constraints, a retroactive TUE application is acceptable (ISTUE 2015 article 4.3).

I don't know what your driving at, but your are actually supporting my points.

1. Tue was granted by NSac 3 weeks after the fight. Which means during the time of administering of 750 ML of IVs, FLoyd was doing illegal stuff behind Nsac's back. Only after 3 weeks was it granted by Nsac. Red flag.

If a Prohibited Substance is administered via IV infusion or injection a TUE
application must be submitted for the Prohibited Substance regardless of
whether the infusion is less than 50 mL or the setting/circumstances under
which it is administered. In situations of medical emergency or clinical time
constraints, a retroactive TUE application is acceptable (ISTUE 2015 article 4.3).[/QUOTE]


2. So what was the emergency a day before the fight that Floyd had to be taken to drastic measures and be allowed to TUE in the comforts in his home? Is he so sick that he can't do oral hydration? Bed ridden sick? USADA'S statement HAS FULL OF HOLES. They need to explain what is the medical emergency why he needed iv treatment which is only done for very sick people who can't drink orally.

[Spoon23]

Here's another way of putting it..


You can't retroactively get permission to do something that was already done.

In the case of Pac, Pac should have just got a pain killer injection in the shoulder in the bathroom and just say after 3 weeks after fight that he did and get an exemption for the shot he got without permission because it wasn't even illegal from the beginning. Taradol shots aren't illegal medication anyway.

And Yet Usada only conveniently informed Nsac 3 weeks after. Doesn't the time they didnt inform, from May1 to May 19, at that time they weren't informed, it was very much illegal then.. Since Wada specifically states ivs are banned coz they can be used as masking agents. So what was the reason why Floyd was too dehydrated that he couldn't drink a few bottles of gatorade??

Makes no f@cking sense now does it?

It's a double standard and that shouldn't fly.

The commission are pieces of bias sh%ts.

Red flag all over the place.

[Lester Tutor]

I don't know what your driving at, but your are actually supporting my points.

1. Tue was granted by NSac 3 weeks after the fight. Which means during the time of administering of 750 ML of IVs, FLoyd was doing illegal stuff behind Nsac's back. Only after 3 weeks was it granted by Nsac. Red flag.

If a Prohibited Substance is administered via IV infusion or injection a TUE
application must be submitted for the Prohibited Substance regardless of
whether the infusion is less than 50 mL or the setting/circumstances under
which it is administered. In situations of medical emergency or clinical time
constraints, a retroactive TUE application is acceptable (ISTUE 2015 article 4.3).

2. So what was the emergency a day before the fight that Floyd had to be taken to drastic measures and be allowed to TUE in the comforts in his home? Is he so sick that he can't do oral hydration? Bed ridden sick? USADA'S statement HAS FULL OF HOLES. They need to explain what is the medical emergency why he needed iv treatment which is only done for very sick people who can't drink orally.[/QUOTE]

I don't even need to read after your first failed points...

How does anybody apply for a TUE before knowing they will be sick?

[Spoon23]

2.I don't even need to read after your first failed points...

How does anybody apply for a TUE before knowing they will be sick? .

Game over buddy. Case closed.

Find me the answer why Usada allowed iv treatment for FLoyd a day before the fight. Then get back at me. At this point, Usada has no explanation to why FLoyd is severely dehydrated. Nada, Zilch.

Oh and you should apply a TUE on the day you administer the 750 ml of IVs. Specifically before administering it not after 3 weeks that it was already been done.

Oh and who's alt are you by the way? Just curious hehe