Comments Thread For: Andy Lee: I Want Golovkin Next, He'd Beat Mayweather

[2shameless]

Okay let's get one thing straight here.

First,

I thought you only wanted to get one thing straight.

Duran let's say started at 135 (I know he actually started lower but it was for such a short period of time and against unimportant oppostion let's just say 135). From 135 to 160 in 2015 is 5 weight classes, 25lbs. So Duran fought Hagler at 25lbs above where he started, and lost.

Duran was a career 135 lber who fought the best at 147, the best at 154 and then the best at 160. Who cares whether Duran lost to Hagler? He was 25 lbs above his best weight, far past his best and still went 15 rounds with an ATG MW. Floyd's been babysitting 154 lb titles for years, has an offer from GGG to fight at 154, but he chose Berto instead. Not Brook, not Khan, not Lara, Berto.

De La Hoya from super featherweight, fought twice at 160 vs Hopkins and Sturm, where he was very out of shape and lost arguably twice. Albeit DLH was much larger than Mayweather Jr. and could pull that off.

DLH again took on huge challenges when past his prime and far above his best weights. Oscar was at his best from 130 to 147, same as Floyd.

Mayweather won all 3 of his fights at 154, his 5th weight class/24lbs above his debut against #3 ranked JMW(DLH), #1 ranked JMW(Cotto) and Ring champ JMW(Canelo).

Actually one of those was at a zombie CW, haven't we been over this?

So cut the crap about Mayweather vs Golovkin and trying to put his career down. Berto is a ****ty opponent that is not worth paying $75 for but that's as far as you could go. Don't act like Duran or DLH didn't ever fight any **** opponents, or like a 38 year old pro fighter can't take a breather after fighting Maidana twice and Pacquiao.

Maidana was a far bigger challenge than he should've been, given the hype behind Mayweather. But don't act like Floyd needed a breather after a 12 round sparring session with lil Pac 2 years after he was knocked into a coma by a 40 year old career FW.

[KnickTillDeaTh]

how can anyone say lee is a good challenge.
he lost to joke cesar chavez jr.

Lee was winning most of the fight, and eventually tired out under the size of Chavez Jr. Lee was also going up and down between two different divisions. GGG is not as big as Chavez Jr, so you can strike that advantage. Lee is also a quicker puncher, has the chin to take a few of GGG's shots, and has the power to hurt GGG. Lee moves well enough to get away from GGG's pressure for a few rounds, and with Lee's reach he could land shots from the outside while GGG is coming in. We also know that Lee would rather get knocked out then lose on points, which is a trait that not one of GGG's past opponents share. GGG will be the favorite, and rightly so, just like Lemuix, Lee will have a little more then a punchers chance, which means GGG can't drive in reckless with his hands down. GGG should defeat Lee if the fight did happen but that's not a guarantee. How can anyone say Lee is NOT a Challenge? Well they simply have little knowledge about Boxing, especially when they evoke the dreaded triangle theory.

[KnickTillDeaTh]

Canelo is going to have around 18 - 20 lbs on Cotto when fight night comes around. And it won't be like Geale with a quick blubber gain. Canelo is still young enough to have great recovery and that is the main reason I think Cotto will be in serious trouble when he sees Canelo across from him.

Really? you can't gain 30 lbs of blubber in a few hours. You must be certified for real. Geale gained 30 lbs of water weight, which is the same weight Canelo is going to gain, it's also the same weight GGG gains and Cotto and damn near every fighter to ever box. One of the only fighters in history to put on solid weight was George Forman (it was said he'd eat anywhere from 2 to 4 steaks and 4 baked potatoes after the weigh in), and that was same day weigh ins so in the end the majority of his weight was water as well.

[Jsmooth9876]

Really? you can't gain 30 lbs of blubber in a few hours. You must be certified for real. Geale gained 30 lbs of water weight, which is the same weight Canelo is going to gain, it's also the same weight GGG gains and Cotto and damn near every fighter to ever box. One of the only fighters in history to put on solid weight was George Forman (it was said he'd eat anywhere from 2 to 4 steaks and 4 baked potatoes after the weigh in), and that was same day weigh ins so in the end the majority of his weight was water as well.

Why was George cutting weight in the heavyweight division?

[kafkod]

Will Ward have something to bring to the party by then? Right now, he has nothing at all and there is no point in Golovkin fighting him. The way he is going, Ward MAY have had one or two more fights by 2017. He is hardly working to build his brand back up. I can see him being stripped of his last remaining title soon if he does not defend it and then he will have nothing at all to attract any decent opponent.

Ward is no longer a factor in any serious discussion until he has at least two fights against serious competition.

Ward is only mentioned in connection with GGG by people - I wouldn't call them fans - who are looking for ways to try and discredit Golovkin.

Trolls, in other words, who have some kind of agenda, either racist or anti-HBO.

[kafkod]

Really? you can't gain 30 lbs of blubber in a few hours. You must be certified for real. Geale gained 30 lbs of water weight, which is the same weight Canelo is going to gain, it's also the same weight GGG gains and Cotto and damn near every fighter to ever box. One of the only fighters in history to put on solid weight was George Forman (it was said he'd eat anywhere from 2 to 4 steaks and 4 baked potatoes after the weigh in), and that was same day weigh ins so in the end the majority of his weight was water as well.

If Geale had bought himself one of them George Foreman grills he would have done the same thing to Cotto as big George did to Frazier.

[KnickTillDeaTh]

Why was George cutting weight in the heavyweight division?

Around that time most heavyweights fought at a weight around 220lbs, that includes George Forman. For most of his career He weighed in under 230lbs, he loaded up on beef and carbs going into the fight after weigh in, this came straight from Forman's mouth. After returning from a 10 year retirement he weighed in at 267lbs, before that fight, he only weighed in over 230 once, by 1 and 1/4 lbs. Why was Forman cutting weight in a division that had no limits? I would think it had a lot to do with stamina, speed, and movement.

[KnickTillDeaTh]

If Geale had bought himself one of them George Foreman grills he would have done the same thing to Cotto as big George did to Frazier.

LMAO..... I don't think Geale is good enough to defeat Cotto, but it ain't gotta be right to be funny!!!!!

[aboutfkntime]

Lee was winning most of the fight, and eventually tired out under the size of Chavez Jr. Lee was also going up and down between two different divisions. GGG is not as big as Chavez Jr, so you can strike that advantage. Lee is also a quicker puncher, has the chin to take a few of GGG's shots, and has the power to hurt GGG. Lee moves well enough to get away from GGG's pressure for a few rounds, and with Lee's reach he could land shots from the outside while GGG is coming in. We also know that Lee would rather get knocked out then lose on points, which is a trait that not one of GGG's past opponents share. GGG will be the favorite, and rightly so, just like Lemuix, Lee will have a little more then a punchers chance, which means GGG can't drive in reckless with his hands down. GGG should defeat Lee if the fight did happen but that's not a guarantee. How can anyone say Lee is NOT a Challenge? Well they simply have little knowledge about Boxing, especially when they evoke the dreaded triangle theory.

Yep, no argument from me, its a good fight.

And I think Golovkin will take it.

Golovkin TKO9.

[Progrssive_Jedi]

floyd makes golovkin look silly for 12 rounds.. he'll punch the air a lot. but then the groupies will say he was drained.. pointless fight, nothing to gain.

No he wouldn't, because Floyd is all mouth and no bite. Unless he fights GGG in 3-4 years trying to wait him out. Floyd doesn't get in the ring with guys who can actually beat him. GGG could make him look cross eyed in a few body blows.

like u said about klit..i already know ggg is the champ of that division..im ready to feel like that about him at 168..lee is meaningless..cotto/canelo are not ****ing mw's if 155 is going to keep going..and they likely wont be dicated to until they are ready..he can become money without them..i hope he dares to go own 168 i'll buy any ppv he wants me to buy then bc he likely couldnt pick a bad one

Canelo is heavier than GGG, but no one is calling for him to go up because he is a fraud. GGG deserves to expose this fraud. Cotto is holding a MW belt, if he is too small, then he shouldn't be holding the belt.

If you holding a stolen painting, don't get mad when you get arrested.