Treat Hearn like Haymon

[Adamjr91]

I have stopped watching Eddie Hearn's Saturday night fight cards on Skysports. The quality on show is equivalent to Blackpool turning up at Millwall for a kick about.

Real ****.

[LacedUp]

He's definitely made some terrible "big" fights i.e. Brook vs Gavin. Not his fault Bellew vs. Cleverly was a stinker, most people wanted to see that fight - However, definitely not PPV.

Now, he takes way bigger risks than Haymon does though.

- McDonnell to USA twice to fight Kameda
- Quigg against Donaire
- Brook vs Porter - in America
- Barker vs Sturm - in Germany
- Smith vs Fielding (two young undefeated guys)
- Mitchell vs Linares / Estrada / Maduma (all good fights)
- Selby vs Gradovic
- Joshua vs Whyte (coming up December 12th, compare to Deontay Wilder)

These are just in the last year or so (except barker vs Sturm) or upcoming fights.

It's very rare we see a matchroom card with a fight like Garcia vs Salka topping the bill.

[LacedUp]

I think the top two en****** putting on high quality fights are en****** (HBO & PBC) who freelance out the promotional duties. I don't understand the claim PBC isn't putting out top fights in the first place.

As far as I can count, PBC has put on 1 genuine top fight - Degale vs Dirrell. Porter vs Broner was also a topish fight.

Other than that, I don't really recall PBC putting out top fights, but feel free to remind me.

[LacedUp]

Yeah, the whole brook/Gavin card was good but it wasn't worth PPV when people have to pay through their teeth for a SkySports subscription, that's exactly the sort of card that should be headlining a Saturday night on SkySports.

That card was definitely PPV worthy. Probably the best 6-7 hours of boxing I've ever enjoyed on one night.

People complain because Brook vs Gavin was topping the bill, but honestly - It was war after war. Joshua was on too, Selby had a great fight and topped it off with a Kell Brook gimme fight.

Included for me what was fight of the year - Mitchell vs Linares and #2 fight of the year which was Ryan vs Wayne Hibbert.

Cracking show and definitely worth the £15 or whatever it was.

[soul_survivor]

That card was definitely PPV worthy. Probably the best 6-7 hours of boxing I've ever enjoyed on one night.

People complain because Brook vs Gavin was topping the bill, but honestly - It was war after war. Joshua was on too, Selby had a great fight and topped it off with a Kell Brook gimme fight.

Included for me what was fight of the year - Mitchell vs Linares and #2 fight of the year which was Ryan vs Wayne Hibbert.

Cracking show and definitely worth the £15 or whatever it was.

Those should be the types of fights that are put on SkySports for paying subscribers, it's ridiculous, a good card isn't a PPV. A good card with a leading star should be a PPV, but like I said before, I'm against the highly capitalist and plain immoral PPV system anyway. Plus, having one good PPV card in yearS isn't good enough.

I have stopped watching Eddie Hearn's Saturday night fight cards on Skysports. The quality on show is equivalent to Blackpool turning up at Millwall for a kick about.

Real ****.

same here, I sometimes record it and ff through the filth till I get to the good bits, which are rare.

He's definitely made some terrible "big" fights i.e. Brook vs Gavin. Not his fault Bellew vs. Cleverly was a stinker, most people wanted to see that fight - However, definitely not PPV.

Now, he takes way bigger risks than Haymon does though.

- McDonnell to USA twice to fight Kameda
- Quigg against Donaire
- Brook vs Porter - in America
- Barker vs Sturm - in Germany
- Smith vs Fielding (two young undefeated guys)
- Mitchell vs Linares / Estrada / Maduma (all good fights)
- Selby vs Gradovic
- Joshua vs Whyte (coming up December 12th, compare to Deontay Wilder)

These are just in the last year or so (except barker vs Sturm) or upcoming fights.

It's very rare we see a matchroom card with a fight like Garcia vs Salka topping the bill.

Some of those fights are almost 2 years old, when you have a guy putting up multiple saturday night shows a month and you can pick out 8 "good" fights over a 2 year period, that's quite sad.

Joshua v Whyte is in all honesty nothing but a stepping stone for AJ, have you seen whyte fight? He's more crude than oil.

[Weebler I]

All fights with a Hearn fighter are and will be shown on SkySports, no matter if they are PBC or not in the States and with that in mind, they haven't been very good lol

Yeah, but he tends to get judged by the cards he puts on in the UK, most of those have been dirge but taken with the overseas fights, it hasn't been terrible imo.

[soul_survivor]

Yeah, but he tends to get judged by the cards he puts on in the UK, most of those have been dirge but taken with the overseas fights, it hasn't been terrible imo.

If terrible isn't the word, mediocre isn't either. It's not all bad but most of it is. I preferred Warren's work with Sky and Eddie's fathers relationship with Sky over what Eddie has done. There was just so much promise.

All gone to waste now.

[Scipio2009]

I don't think that happens now DeGale is with Haymon.

On Hearn, there have been some good fights but a number of them have been on PBC and not in the UK so he doesn't get credit for them.

Hearn fighters have been involved in some of the better fights on PBC, hopefully another one tonight.

Degale-Groves is the biggest possible fight for James Degale, the title unification fight is likely to do massive business in the UK, and Haymon doesn't really have a bigger opportunity to offer to Degale to top that fight.

Degale-Groves at Wembley on Sky Box Office, with Showtime carrying the US broadcasting rights (Thank You, Al Haymon) as part of a day/night doubleheader, is going to easily deliver double what any PBC fight can offer, and a more meaningful fight than any possible PBC fight (likely sans a fight with Chavez Jr, which would likely be carried on Showtime anyway).

[Scipio2009]

How many of those 6-7 fights that are supposedly on these cards are competitive or between world class operators?

Yes PBC has put on some competitive match ups (Khan/Algieri, DeGale/Dirrel, McDonnell/Kameda 1) but it's literally a handful of fights in a series of many months when there are literally 10s of duds. That's not good enough.

But forget PBC, Hearn is doing an even worse job in the UK.



All fights with a Hearn fighter are and will be shown on SkySports, no matter if they are PBC or not in the States and with that in mind, they haven't been very good lol



Yeah, the whole brook/Gavin card was good but it wasn't worth PPV when people have to pay through their teeth for a SkySports subscription, that's exactly the sort of card that should be headlining a Saturday night on SkySports.

Heck, Hearn started off by putting on some absolute epic cards on Sky, after the whole Haye/Audley/Wlad debacle almost killed off british PPVs. But since building Froch as a name, he thinks any british fighter with a half decent alphabet belt round his waist is worthy of PPV. Yes you may be able to justify Brook/Gavin cos of the card but wth was Bellew/Clev?

Hearn hasn't been able to deliver a big fight outside of the Froch ones in years now, that's laughable, considering the millions his deal with Sky is worth and considering Sky has started to invest less and less in the big US fights, most of which now get shown on Boxnation or BT. The whole boxing thing on sky is turning into one expensive fiasco.

Hearn is worried about world level, yet isn't really worried about world level, if that makes any sense.

Eddie Hearn's TV partner is Sky Sports; for US fans, I believe an apt comparison would be to ESPN. If the event doesn't draw the general interest of the US sports fan; ESPN is not going to cover it. As a sporting event, Champions League is arguably one of the biggest sporting events in the world; with all of the teams basically being European, the American sports fan could generally care less, therefore ESPN doesn't really cover it.

Eddie Hearn's primary job, as the exclusive boxing promoter for Sky Sports, is to deliver fights and fight cards that will draw the attention of the UK sporting audience; world-level fights get pushed when things make sense, but if the bout doesn't feature British talent, generally speaking, Sky Sports/Hearn are likely to be uninterested in it (Mayweather-Pacquiao was a fight that transcended the sport, and Klitschko-Wilder is likely to have similar "beyond the sport" interest; beyond that, I'd imagine that every other fight ends up on BoxNation.

For the Brook-Gavin fight, every single bout on that bill, from the opening fight through the main event, had significant meaning for the British sports audience.

If you earnestly believe that a card featuring 6 title fights (3 of which being full world titles, and a fourth fight featuring Britain's "next big thing", Anthony Joshua), with 9 bouts with British interest isn't worth 20 gbp, there's not a card that Eddie Hearn could even fathom putting on that you'd happily pay for, making your criticism of the PPV concept worthless.

People like free stuff, fine.

Since you're not going to be buying a ticket, and you're not going to pay for any PPV, simply enjoy what gets to you for free, because you weren't going to be an actual customer anyway.