Doug Fischer tells me why he puts PAC n Hopkins over money this era and all time

[BrometheusBob.]

What was Oscar when he fought PAC? @ 147 weight drained and in worse condition than all previous fights

Hatton started at 140...Floyd @130

Hatton was naturally bigger weight was never an issue for them to fight


Floyd was in his 4th division at 147 so he didn't have any type of size advantage n hadn't filled out there yet

Hatton may have started at 140 but he was a pretty natural 140lber who didn't pack on any quality mass for this fight. He fought at 140 in his two previous fights and 140 in his next three fights. Floyd on the other hand is a small WW but a pretty lean guy who in his next fight didn't make the 144lb catchweight. Shrug, but anyway, I wouldn't really say the weight was a determining factor in the fight's outcome.

[anonymous2.0]

Has anyone else notice that if Floyd was in a close fight (Maidana, Oscar, Castillo) people automatically count it as a lose but when Manny has 3 close fights with JMM he gets the benefit of the doubt? Just sayin'

[Beater_of_ass]

Has anyone else notice that if Floyd was in a close fight (Maidana, Oscar, Castillo) people automatically count it as a lose but when Manny has 3 close fights with JMM he gets the benefit of the doubt? Just sayin'

Oscar was not close lol. He won 2 rounds.

[Calabis]

manny beat a prime marquez at his prime weightclass. yes it was a very close fight, but manny clearly edged out with the win by scoring the KD. pac also should have won the first fight but was screwed over. also barrera wasn't too far from his prime, still very dangerous and at the ABSOLUTE height of his career.

also manny is not going around calling himself TBE!! better than ali, robinson etc.!!! hahahahaha give me a break. floyd will never be greater than ali, robinson, leonard, duran, hagler, louis, etc. etc. because he has never beaten ONE PRIME HOF'ER (never even fought a legit prime hof'er). floyd is the biggest overrated fighter of this era.

Its sad that you are trying to use the TBE thing as a talking point...just like he said on all access...its no disrespect to all the great champions...if none of them think they are the best at what they do, then they are in the wrong sport.

U PACfanatics have ruined boxing message boards everywhere. Whats worse is u probably never seen any of those dudes fight, yet u are acting like you witnessed their career...quit trying to bend the rules with your talking points....pointing out judges scores.

[Calabis]

Floyd didn't even have the balls,to face Manny in his prime ..F.He never faced an atg in their prime and hand picked basically almost every opponent ever since he moved up,to 130 ..Its hard to give him so much credit when he just waited for guys to,get old or lose a step ..I have no issues with anyone ranking Manny over Floyd .

Again Freddie Roach disagrees and said they screwed up the first fight...but continue spewing bs

[Calabis]

Has anyone else notice that if Floyd was in a close fight (Maidana, Oscar, Castillo) people automatically count it as a lose but when Manny has 3 close fights with JMM he gets the benefit of the doubt? Just sayin'

Not only that, but they change judges score cards to benefit Manny and change scores to somehow come up with a Mayweather loss

[Divine Hammer]

Its sad that you are trying to use the TBE thing as a talking point...just like he said on all access...its no disrespect to all the great champions...if none of them think they are the best at what they do, then they are in the wrong sport.

U PACfanatics have ruined boxing message boards everywhere. Whats worse is u probably never seen any of those dudes fight, yet u are acting like you witnessed their career...quit trying to bend the rules with your talking points....pointing out judges scores.

but if u consider urself TBE then u pove it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! but floyd strategically cherry picked all of his opponents. what's TBE about that?????? he avoided a prime cotto, prime manny, margarito, paul williams, martinez, prime mosley, GGG, khan, etc. THINKING U ARE GREAT ISN'T ENOUGH U DUNCE! u have to prove it!!!!!!! but floyd never takes big risks. that's the sad truth about ur hero. beating a far past prime very war torn only one good arm manny PROVES NOTHING!

hahahaha and trying to change things by attacking pac's fans. hahahahahhahahaha pathetic. how about u stay on topic and stop looking somewhere else?????

topic: floyd wasn't the best fighter of the 2000s. a cold hard fact.

[TX_BOXNG]

but if u consider urself TBE then ur pove it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! but floyd strategically cherry picked all of his opponents. what's TBE about that?????? he avoided a prime cotto, prime manny, margarito, paul williams, martinez, prime mosley, GGG, khan, etc. THINKING U ARE GREAT ISN'T ENOUGH U DUNCE! u have to prove it!!!!!!! but floyd never takes big risks. that's the sad truth about ur hero.

I agree with you on some

I feel Floyd felt very insecure when he retired, Cotto, PW, Margarito, etc

But we are discussing, about facts, how can you ranked Pac in top of Floyd, yea Pacquiao is a greater warrior n more impressive than Floyd, but in boxing terms Floyd is still undefeated, he wins the boxing match n proved when he easily schooled Pacquiao

Look at Mannys latest run of matches hes had, Algiere, Rios, Marquez KO loss, none are top welterweighs

[Fetta]

All 3 ATG's but Floyd is the best of the bunch and best of this era. No question

[Divine Hammer]

I agree with you on some

I feel Floyd felt very insecure when he retired, Cotto, PW, Margarito, etc

But we are discussing, about facts, how can you ranked Pac in top of Floyd, yea Pacquiao is a greater warrior n more impressive than Floyd, but in boxing terms Floyd is still undefeated, he wins the boxing match n proved when he easily schooled Pacquiao

Look at Mannys latest run of matches hes had, Algiere, Rios, Marquez KO loss, none are top welterweighs

floyd is only undefeated because he took very little risks and carefully cherry picked everyone at the right time. it was all very strategic. i give him a lot of credit for being such a good coward. he let all of his competition beat each other up while he took his "retirements/vacations" and then he swooped in to pick up the pieces. that's all that was. floyd is the biggest overrated hype of this era. had floyd fought all the threats i mentioned in their prime years he most likely wouldn't be undefeated (on paper at least because he clearly lost to castillo). being undefeated only means u never fought the big threats WHEN THEY WERE BIG THREATS.

manny's recent lack luster competition is because haymon controls majority of the top welterweights. bradley was the 2nd best welter weight when manny fought him the 2nd time. brook had just won his world title and soon after almost got his leg chopped off, so a fight with him in november or december 2014 was unlikely (therefore they went with the next best thing which was algieri who was coming off a great upset win). also rios was a clear tune-up fight after manny was ko'ed cold and coming off his longest layoff in his entire career. these are all legitimate fair excuses. floyd had none when prime cotto, margarito, paul williams, martinez, prime pacquiao were around, which is why he took his "vacations/retirements".

again all it takes is some critical thinking. it isn't hard. floyd's career has been one big fraud show. how again can he be considered TBE or even close to top ten p4p all time if he has yet to fight and beat anyone in their prime????