Doug Fischer tells me why he puts PAC n Hopkins over money this era and all time

[Calabis]

but if u consider urself TBE then u pove it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! but floyd strategically cherry picked all of his opponents. what's TBE about that?????? he avoided a prime cotto, prime manny, margarito, paul williams, martinez, prime mosley, GGG, khan, etc. THINKING U ARE GREAT ISN'T ENOUGH U DUNCE! u have to prove it!!!!!!! but floyd never takes big risks. that's the sad truth about ur hero. beating a far past prime very war torn only one good arm manny PROVES NOTHING!

hahahaha and trying to change things by attacking pac's fans. hahahahahhahahaha pathetic. how about u stay on topic and stop looking somewhere else?????

topic: floyd wasn't the best fighter of the 2000s. a cold hard fact.

He has proved it...wtf are you talking about?
See here we go again....there is this thing called the internet. Its cool because its full of articles from Floyds Top Rank days. I know you wont read them because it wont fit you agenda.

Prime Cotto...Arum is on record stating he didnt want to put Cotto up against Mayweather yet...he wanted to build up Cotto so then can create a Leonard vs Hagler type event. Cottos trainers are on record stating he wasnt ready for Mayweather...biut somehow that is Mayweather avoiding him

Arum states Mayweather would have fought prime Margarito but wanted 10 mil guar. for Cotto and Hatton...Arum offered 7...hence buyout and no longer with Top Rank...yet thats Mayweathers fault.

Prince Nassim avoided him, Kosta Tszyu wouldnt fight him, Mosley wouldnt fight him(although I dont blame him initially, good biz decision to fight Oscar), but after Mosley avoided him with vacations and tooth aches, again Mayweathers fault.

Paul Williams? Didnt he say he doesnt feel Floyd avoided him..think there is a vid

https://********/G4fEFOoaBfs

At the start of 2007, Paul Williams was ranked 9th by Ring Magazine in the welterweight division… and Floyd opted to face Oscar De La Hoya and Ricky Hatton, who were both much more deserving of a super-fight against the pound-for-pound number one.

When Paul Williams eventually became a top-rated welterweight in 2008, Mayweather was considered a “retired” boxer.

In 2008, Paul Williams was pretty much an anonymous fighter that got punished in his own backyard against Carlos Quintana when he lost by a wide decision victory!

When Floyd returned to action in late 2009, ‘The Punisher’ had already made the jump to middleweight, which was two weight divisions above Mayweather's chosen weight class!

GGG is a middleweight moron...yet u cry about Pac fighting Canelo

You keep playing "assumptions" and "making **** up"...Ill keep doing research and hit you with cold hard facts.

[Divine Hammer]

He has proved it...wtf are you talking about?
See here we go again....there is this thing called the internet. Its cool because its full of articles from Floyds Top Rank days. I know you wont read them because it wont fit you agenda.

Prime Cotto...Arum is on record stating he didnt want to put Cotto up against Mayweather yet...he wanted to build up Cotto so then can create a Leonard vs Hagler type event. Cottos trainers are on record stating he wasnt ready for Mayweather...biut somehow that is Mayweather avoiding him

Arum states Mayweather would have fought prime Margarito but wanted 10 mil guar. for Cotto and Hatton...Arum offered 7...hence buyout and no longer with Top Rank...yet thats Mayweathers fault.

Prince Nassim avoided him, Kosta Tszyu wouldnt fight him, Mosley wouldnt fight him(although I dont blame him initially, good biz decision to fight Oscar), but after Mosley avoided him with vacations and tooth aches, again Mayweathers fault.

Paul Williams? Didnt he say he doesnt feel Floyd avoided him..think there is a vid

https://********/G4fEFOoaBfs

At the start of 2007, Paul Williams was ranked 9th by Ring Magazine in the welterweight division***8230; and Floyd opted to face Oscar De La Hoya and Ricky Hatton, who were both much more deserving of a super-fight against the pound-for-pound number one.

When Paul Williams eventually became a top-rated welterweight in 2008, Mayweather was considered a ***8220;retired***8221; boxer.

In 2008, Paul Williams was pretty much an anonymous fighter that got punished in his own backyard against Carlos Quintana when he lost by a wide decision victory!

When Floyd returned to action in late 2009, ***8216;The Punisher***8217; had already made the jump to middleweight, which was two weight divisions above Mayweather's chosen weight class!

GGG is a middleweight moron...yet u cry about Pac fighting Canelo

You keep playing "assumptions" and "making **** up"...Ill keep doing research and hit you with cold hard facts.

hahahahahahahaahhahah pathetic. look ur hero went into "retirement" for a reason. because the welterweight division was really heating up and he felt threatened. i don't need to go on and on forever about it because it's true. actions speak louder than a bunch of words and articles. and williams was being too humble and kind but truth is the whole world knew floyd didn't want anything to do with someone like williams. a complete stylistic nightmare for floyd easily. also GGG said he would move down to 154 to fight ur hero. i'm not asking floyd to fight at 160 because i know he doesn't have the guts to do it, but he can easily fight at jr middleweight (like he has done 3 TIMES BEFORE!). hahahahahaha and manny moved all the way up from MINIMUMWEIGHT! so what if manny decides that welterweight is his ceiling????? he is already considered way too small (height, reach, weight, EVERYTHING!!!!) for welterweight.

ur hero is a joke and u floyd farts are a complete joke. just deal with it, okay?

[Calabis]

hahahahahahahaahhahah pathetic. look ur hero went into "retirement" for a reason. because the welterweight division was really heating up and he felt threatened. i don't need to go on and on forever about it because it's true. actions speak louder than a bunch of words and articles. and williams was being too humble and kind but truth is the whole world knew floyd didn't want anything to do with someone like williams. a complete stylistic nightmare for floyd easily. also GGG said he would move down to 154 to fight ur hero. i'm not asking floyd to fight at 160 because i know he doesn't have the guts to do it, but he can easily fight at jr middleweight. lol and manny moved all the way up from MINIMUMWEIGHT! so what if manny decides that welterweight is his ceiling????? he is already considered way too small (height, reach, weight, EVERYTHING!!!!) for welterweight.

ur hero is a joke and u floyd farts are a complete joke. just deal with it, okay?

Yawn...here goes this guy again witj zero facts and assumptions...just posted video of Williams himself, yet u personally know he was lying, posted a article of Williams where he was and who Mayweather fought instead, yet again you ignore facts and come up with some bull**** divine hammer quantum theory....GGG would drop to 154 then come into the fight at 170-180lbs....yeah u make a ton of sense.

Also dont cry because your fighter is a media creation, who avoided drug tests during hi peak and never clearly beat Marquez and applied catchweights or picked guys after losses looking washed up ala Mosley, Margarito, Hatton, Rios, Diaz, DLH

[nauti4life85]

Quick question...I keep seeing that people seem to think Manny fighting DLH he was jumping up 2 weight classes and going to be the smaller guy, but please tell me what weight he was at on fight night vs diaz and his weight on fight night vs DLH cause I remember him actually being heavier if memory proves me right...thanks.

[Divine Hammer]

Yawn...here goes this guy again witj zero facts and assumptions...just posted video of Williams himself, yet u personally know he was lying, posted a article of Williams where he was and who Mayweather fought instead, yet again you ignore facts and come up with some bull**** divine hammer quantum theory....GGG would drop to 154 then come into the fight at 170-180lbs....yeah u make a ton of sense.

Also dont cry because your fighter is a media creation, who avoided drug tests during hi peak and never clearly beat Marquez and applied catchweights or picked guys after losses looking washed up ala Mosley, Margarito, Hatton, Rios, Diaz, DLH

u can pull up whatever article, "facts", etc. but like i said, actions speak louder than words. which one of these fighters took an unnecessary "retirement" when competition was heating up????? it certainly wasn't cotto, pac, margarito, williams, etc. soon after cotto got beat up against margarito, margarito got beat up against mosley, and williams moved up, u see ur hero come out of hiding hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha. it doesn't get any more real than that.

hahaha so canelo came into the ring 170lbs. again martinez said he would come down to jr middleweight to fight floyd, GGG said the same thing, but floyd ducks like a coward. actions speak louder than words. manny is much smaller than floyd and felt that jr middleweight was way too much for him after the margarito fight (he knew his ceiling) and decided to stick with welterweight (manny turned pro at minimumweight so no shame). floyd has fought 3 times at jr middleweight no problem though. but when a REAL SERIOUS THREAT COMES CALLING HE AVOIDS AVOIDS AVOIDS.

[Calabis]

Quick question...I keep seeing that people seem to think Manny fighting DLH he was jumping up 2 weight classes and going to be the smaller guy, but please tell me what weight he was at on fight night vs diaz and his weight on fight night vs DLH cause I remember him actually being heavier if memory proves me right...thanks.

He was..but thats doesnt matter here...its all about height lol

[Calabis]

u can pull up whatever article, "facts", etc. but like i said, actions speak louder than words. which one of these fighters took an unnecessary "retirement" when competition was heating up????? it certainly wasn't cotto, pac, margarito, williams, etc. soon after cotto got beat up against margarito, margarito got beat up against mosley, and williams moved up, u see ur hero come out of hiding hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha. it doesn't get any more real than that.

hahaha so canelo came into the ring 170lbs. again martinez said he would come down to jr middleweight to fight floyd, GGG said the same thing, but floyd ducks like a coward. actions speak louder than words. manny is much smaller than floyd and felt that jr middleweight was way too much for him after the margarito fight (he knew his ceiling) and decided to stick with welterweight (manny turned pro at minimumweight so no shame). floyd has fought 3 times at jr middleweight no problem though. but when a REAL SERIOUS THREAT COMES CALLING HE AVOIDS AVOIDS AVOIDS.

I stopped reading after "you can post articles, facts"....whats the point of talking to someone who ignores factual articles by reporters with credentials.....have fun guy, not debating a guy who cant post one fact supporting his personal agenda.

[Southpaw93]

Mayweather retired to avoid the best competition in the welterweight division. If he didnt do that, then maybe he would be ranked higher. Pacquiao and hopkins are both better.

[Divine Hammer]

I stopped reading after "you can post articles, facts"....whats the point of talking to someone who ignores factual articles by reporters with credentials.....have fun guy, not debating a guy who cant post one fact supporting his personal agenda.

because anyone can say what they want in articles and fabricate the TRUTH u dunce hahahahaha. it isn't very hard which is why i say look at someones actions not what some random writes in an article or some fabricated "facts" (notice i had "facts" in quotations).

again who took the unnecessary "retirement" when the division was heating up and then conveniently ended their "retirement" once all the big threats were either finished beating each other up or moving up in weight hahahahahhahahahahaha. that really speaks for itself i think.

but go ahead and rely on shoddy articles and fabricated "facts".

[ИATAS]

Fischer makes an excellent case, not sure why you're complaining. He says from the start it depends on what your criteria is which is saying it's gong to vary from person to person. If you find that being undefeated is more important, then you're going to rate Floyd higher. Fischer on the other hand sees more value in the opponents Pacquiao faced and thus ranked Pac higher for that time period.