How do you know so much about boxing

[Blond Beast]

My Opa boxed in Friesland, had a couple amateur titles. As children we had his old black leather gloves. We use to put on one glove each, and pummel eachother. My older brother was smart enough to always take the right handed glove. If he ever took liberties my day would take the left glove and give him a whooping at least. I still favor the left hand today, even though Im right handed.
A classmate at school was a Lalonde, either half or step brother to Donny Lalonde. So in our elementary school he went around promoting his brothers fight with Sugar Ray Leonard. Being 9yrs old, and there being no internet at the time, I enquired with Adults that ought to know. I was assured this fight was a big deal, and Donny was a local hero.
My dad told us that Mike Tyson was going to fight Michael Spinks. This was the first contemporary superfight I was aware of. My Dad is an educated boxing fan, and he explained this would be Tysons first big test. He said Spinks was close to his prime and was an accomplished boxer. He had beaten a better version of Larry Holmes than the one Tyson had faced. He always thought Holmes was underrated. "I saw him knock someone out with a single jab." Brought up his stellar career as a light heavy.My parents were separated so I only saw him a few times a month, but I was eager with anticipation to hear of the result of this fight. When I saw him I asked right away, eager and excited. I learned a lot about boxing right then. He rolled his eyes and groaned. He had shelled out money to see it closed circuit as you did back then. He said the fight lasted less than two minutes. He knew there was going to be a problem when Spinks the classic boxer was asked if he feared Tysons power pre fight in the locker room. Spinks scoffed and said he wasen't afraid. We know how Spinks fought that fight, and how it ended. The promotion didn't live up to the hype, first important boxing lesson learned. This prompted me to ask, "Dad is there anyone else that might is good or might be a threat one day?" His reply, "Well son, there is this guy named Evander Holyfield......"

[daggum]

i'm a former boxer named eric crumble so i know the ropes

[Rockin']

I think that I've forgotten more than I know but I learned in the gyms, and competitive rings (for some trophies and cash) of Detroit and by the many books that I have read. Still glad to say that I took the time while I was young to learn everything that can't be learned in books. Did I already mention that I forget things......... And I've watched a ton a fights too!

[silentscoper]

All you need.

[BrometheusBob.]

All you need is hardwork and dedication

[Rockin']

All you need is hardwork and dedication

Lmao..... you wish that's all that you need.

[JaguaresMx]

i come from a long line of drunk, ******** dads taking their son everywhere, including boxing events in Mexico to see Morales and Yori Boy.

So glad my dad didn't give a **** about taking a 5 yr old to **** I had no business being at. Learned so much from those drunk bastards he hung with. Still the best memories of my childhood.

Hey, he took me to see wrestling too, so it was't all bad, until of course he tried to pick a fight with Octagon (basically John Cena in 90s Mexico)

[Syf]

Its actually a hybrid punch, its not a traditional uppercut, its taught in the gym as an uppercut though, since it comes from the same position, and and can be varied as to the arc it has depending on the distance of your opponent. Notice its upward trajectory...

2nd point. Canelo thew the jab and the right hand at Floyds shoulder to put Floyds balance on his back leg, that right there took off about half the power floyd could have had on the shot; which is another reason to believe that the entire combo was setup to take floyds right to get in the left to the body.

Also, Watch Floyds entire body move from Canelo's shot. It was a very good body shot. To Floyd credit, he has always taken it very well to the body. He is very well conditioned.

As for saying Canelo didn't know he was going to get hit, that's fairly naive to think. Floyd Mayweather has used that punch as his bread and butter counter to right hands for his whole career, and Floyd shot it at Canelo basically every time he threw a right hand.

The move itself is a fairly basic move taught in LA and Mexico, to turn with the right hand when you throw your hook to the body.

Its fairly clear from how far Canelo's head turns that he was turning his head with the punch. Obviously his timing wasn't perfect. Canelo doesn't have the speed to get his shoulders and head around after his right hand to get his shoulders and head around in time to take everything off the shot. But that ability to get off so quick is what makes Floyd Floyd.

If Canelo was able to turn with an unexpected shot from someone as quick as Floyd, he would have been much more competitive, but fortunately we have an entire fights worth of seeing Canelo not have the reflexes to turn with a shot he didn't know was coming to basically disprove the notion that he wasn't attempting to execute one of the more effective ways of taking away someone's right hand counter.

Its such a common counter that Freddy Roach talks about it in this video after talking about the shoulder roll. Its taught everywhere in LA and Mexico.



Its at 13 min.

Nonito Donaire use to do it as well, except instead of a body shot, he would do it to get put in the hook to the head.



If you rewatch the Montiel fight, you will see Donaire try it and land the same thing several times in the fight, taking the right hand to get off the left hand.

Its a subtlety people dont understand.

Jorge Linares vs Edwin Valero, people were confused when Linares would turn his head what appeared randomly after a combination.

Its because it was part of a route memorized combination, and the head turn was to take steam off a counter if it came back.

That is an example taken to the extreme, you usually dont see that, but combinations where you are expecting to take a punch are part of the sweet science, and knowing what openings you leave open to your opponent, and what they can hit you with off the combination, you can get in your shot and take most the steam off of theirs. Its an often overlooked part of a good defense.

My point though is that there are things that no matter how much boxing you watch, until someone teaches you what is happening, and why, you will never figure it out on your own. Someone watching seeing someone take that right hand, wont ever connect the dots that they might be taking it on purpose and doing something to minimize the effect it has to create an opening for their own offense.

I'm familiar with any punch with an upward trajectory being referred to as an uppercut by some, but for clarity of purpose, my gyms didn't teach that. An uppercut, in all intents and purposes, has a certain juxtaposition of the hand that isn't present when the hand is turned over for full torque delivered of a straight right hand... it doesn't particularly matter, so long as the student knows what it is you are talking about and can perform the technique with skill and efficiency, but I've always found it strange when someone purposefully makes it less specific. There's room for confusion there.

I know Floyd didn't invent the counter right coming out of a core defense... but he is in my opinion the best at it of those who attempt it. I'm also aware that Canelo no doubt expects a hit at some point when he fires a combo, especially on Floyd..but one thing planning ahead in the gym can't prepare you for is Floyd's timing. The timing did indeed catch Canelo a bit unawares, that's not something you can prepare for.

A bit about root, from whence power is derived. It is not just solidarity of stance, or how you have your feet planted, but it is also in intent, form, and clarity of focus. More to the point, it is a synergy of body and mind. Whoever can successfully do this will have the upper hand. To assess who got the better of who (who unrooted who), you look at several factors:

Was stance compromised?
Was form maintained?
And was focus kept sharp?

More on focus... focus, perhaps the most important factor of the three because where the mind goes..the body follows. A devastating technique must have the mind visualizing and fueling it. Now.. look at Canelo's eyes when he turns with that punch. Is he truly mentally fueling his technique? No...... he's thinking just as much, if not more, about damage control. Focus shifted.. body turned off balance.. hook comes up short from truly digging in. Unrooted.

Now there are guys that take a punch to land a punch.. and land better.. happens all the time. but their root was maintained, my friend. Canelo's wasn't, not in that particular instance.

Add Floyd fading back away from the shot onto the ropes a bit, and I don't question your background or anything brother, but I think it is.... naive?... to think Canelo landed any more than a grazing shot there.

I'd go more abut this but family calls. Perhaps later

[!! Shawn]

I'm familiar with any punch with an upward trajectory being referred to as an uppercut by some, but for clarity of purpose, my gyms didn't teach that. An uppercut, in all intents and purposes, has a certain juxtaposition of the hand that isn't present when the hand is turned over for full torque delivered of a straight right hand... it doesn't particularly matter, so long as the student knows what it is you are talking about and can perform the technique with skill and efficiency, but I've always found it strange when someone purposefully makes it less specific. There's room for confusion there.

I know Floyd didn't invent the counter right coming out of a core defense... but he is in my opinion the best at it of those who attempt it. I'm also aware that Canelo no doubt expects a hit at some point when he fires a combo, especially on Floyd..but one thing planning ahead in the gym can't prepare you for is Floyd's timing. The timing did indeed catch Canelo a bit unawares, that's not something you can prepare for.

A bit about root, from whence power is derived. It is not just solidarity of stance, or how you have your feet planted, but it is also in intent, form, and clarity of focus. More to the point, it is a synergy of body and mind. Whoever can successfully do this will have the upper hand. To assess who got the better of who (who unrooted who), you look at several factors:

Was stance compromised?
Was form maintained?
And was focus kept sharp?

More on focus... focus, perhaps the most important factor of the three because where the mind goes..the body follows. A devastating technique must have the mind visualizing and fueling it. Now.. look at Canelo's eyes when he turns with that punch. Is he truly mentally fueling his technique? No...... he's thinking just as much, if not more, about damage control. Focus shifted.. body turned off balance.. hook comes up short from truly digging in. Unrooted.

Now there are guys that take a punch to land a punch.. and land better.. happens all the time. but their root was maintained, my friend. Canelo's wasn't, not in that particular instance.

Add Floyd fading back away from the shot onto the ropes a bit, and I don't question your background or anything brother, but I think it is.... naive?... to think Canelo landed any more than a grazing shot there.

I'd go more abut this but family calls. Perhaps later

You just wayyyyyy over analyzed a simple situation. Obviously the example is Canelo trying to execute against one of the best to ever do it, and getting in his body shot .

But the rest of the philosophical stuff is just confusing.

Suffice to say boxing consists of a bag of tricks both similar and different that are pieced together to make the sweet science.

Also punches are generally numbered. It varies from trainer to trainer, they would never say give me a right uppercut, it would be give me a 5 or a 6 or a 8 or whatever that decided to number the punch.

There are lots of little tricks to be learned, some can be learned by studying fighters, lots have to be used in the gym. Lots have to be taught to you by your train and involve a lot of pain to master and become proficient at.

Rigondeaux and Lomchenko are both beautifully schooled, and put on masturful performances full of subtleties and tricks and ring art. If you want to learn about boxing, study their fights in detail.

There is a breakdown of Lomachenko onyoutube that isn't half bad at showing a small portion of the subtle things he does and tricks he uses in the ring.

[soul_survivor]

i wouldnt brag about playing cricket.

that would be like a heterosexual male bragging about being a male cheerleader.

haha each to his own but I like cricket, in fact I like most sports besides probably golf and american "football"