True or False: James Toney's win over Michael Nunn is better than any win of Floyd's?

[b00g13man]

Nuts that you degrade Pac's fantastic wins over Cotto and Morales. Cotto was 100% in his prime, the CW didn't matter (look at his weigh in weight vs Clottey) and if anything it was a coaching problem that caused him to lose so spectacularly (fight should have been stopped in the 8th or 9th). He took a whipping against Margo but was still mentally with it as he didn't view it as a legit loss due to the wraps controversy. Is Floyd win over Manny degraded due to Manny having been KTFO'd against Marquez and lossing a war to Morales in 2005?

Morales getting ourboxed by a great spoiler in Raheem means sweet **** all tbh. Pac still fought a great version of Morales (the guy arguably beat Maidana and Danny Garcia when he was fat old and washed up, 6 and 7 years after his Pac trilogy) and you say he was coming off a loss but all those Barrera fights were razor thin and the Raheem fight wasn't a drubbing as everyone says, it was close, a 7-5 or 8-4 fight.

Pac's wins over Cotto and Morales are as legit as they come. Fantastic wins over ATG Mexican and ATG Rican. Don't degrade these warriors you fool!

Looooool. What a ****ing reach. Like you have any idea what his mind state was.

[J-champ]

Nunn was the undefeated reigning champ and the favorite. Mayweather never did that.

[Ahmed_Ismail]

Nunn was the undefeated reigning champ and the favorite. Mayweather never did that.

One word, Corrales!

[Ahmed_Ismail]

Morales was still a badass... Yeah he just lost a thriller to another great in barrera... Doesn't mean he was washed up

He was coming off a loss, which is a stab to ur confidence, need to get back to winning ways before fighting top guys if u r coming off a loss to get that confidence back, confidence is one of the most important aspect of the game and Roach and Arum know this, Cotto got destroyed by Margarito where he got scarred physically and mentally and never showed signs of regaining his confidence before the Pacquiao fight. Same with Morales who was 1-2 in his last 3 going into the rematch with Pacquiao and he had to drop down a whole weight class.

[Johnwoo8686]

I said shot Morales "arguably" beat prime Garcia and Maidana. I personally think they were way closer to draws, but the point is that Morales was shot to shlt then, but managed to almostwin/draw/make it close, coimpletely and utterly shot.

Cotto was not prime in 2009 yet is now the lineal middleweight champion lololol

So? He earned that title by fighting a shot, inactive Sergio Martinez. That doesnt mean Cotto is still close to his prime. If Morales was "utterly shot" when Maidana fought him you have to admit he was at least past prime when Pacquiao fought him.

[Ahmed_Ismail]

So? He earned that title by fighting a shot, inactive Sergio Martinez. That doesnt mean Cotto is still close to his prime. If Morales was "utterly shot" when Maidana fought him you have to admit he was at least past prime when Pacquiao fought him.

U have ups and downs in ur career, some people have downs then come back strong later, Ali lost to Frazier and people said he was past it but then came back and beat him AND Foreman, but since we don't know the future, u can only judge a matchup based on the fighter's last fight, and before Morales fought Pacquiao he was coming off a loss and he still beat Pacquiao, then he lost to Zahir Raheem at 135 then had to drop down to 130 again to fight Pacquiao in a rematch, and for that he doesn't get full credit, same with Cotto, he got cut up and destroyed against Margarito a year earlier and looked like **** against Clottey and Pacquiao fought him off of that at a catchweight, and for that he doesn't get full credit either, good that Cotto and Morales could do good things later in their careers but it's not about what the opponent did after the fight, it's about what he did going into the fight, this what determines if the win is legit or not.

[Johnwoo8686]

U have ups and downs in ur career, some people have downs then come back strong later, Ali lost to Frazier and people said he was past it but then came back and beat him AND Foreman, but since we don't know the future, u can only judge a matchup based on the fighter's last fight, and before Morales fought Pacquiao he was coming off a loss and he still beat Pacquiao, then he lost to Zahir Raheem at 135 then had to drop down to 130 again to fight Pacquiao in a rematch, and for that he doesn't get full credit, same with Cotto, he got cut up and destroyed against Margarito a year earlier and looked like **** against Clottey and Pacquiao fought him off of that at a catchweight, and for that he doesn't get full credit either, good that Cotto and Morales could do good things later in their careers but it's not about what the opponent did after the fight, it's about what he did going into the fight, this what determines if the win is legit or not.

Precisely. Excellent post. But I do think Ali was past it even when he beat Foreman. He was nowhere near as sharp as he was when he was still known as Cassius Clay.

[Ahmed_Ismail]

Precisely. Excellent post. But I do think Ali was past it even when he beat Foreman. He was nowhere near as sharp as he was when he was still known as Cassius Clay.

Like they say, every great fighter always had that last great performance in them after they're past it, and btw I thought that Canelo was that since I thought Floyd was already past it after the Cotto fight, but then he had another great performance against Pacquiao, and yes beating someone like Pacquiao 8-4 at that age is still a great achievment, I don't see any of the young welterweights beating Pacquiao.

[Johnwoo8686]

Like they say, every great fighter always had that last great performance in them after they're past it, and btw I thought that Canelo was that since I thought Floyd was already past it after the Cotto fight, but then he had another great performance against Pacquiao, and yes beating someone like Pacquiao 8-4 at that age is still a great achievment, I don't see any of the young welterweights beating Pacquiao.

Very true. Every great fighter has one last great fight in them before it's all over. I still think the Canelo fight was Floyd's last great performance and I knew Floyd was past it by the time the first Maidana fight happened. The Pacquiao fight, although a clear victory, was not a good performance from Floyd. The backlash he's receiving is due to the fact that most people wanted Manny to win as well as Floyd not looking impressive. Even Floyd Sr. said he was no impressed with Floyd Jr.s performance.

The Canelo fight was the last we'll ever see of the old school Floyd.

[Pac=Duran]

One word, Corrales!

Corralles was a bum compared to Nunn. Corralles was the big bully that drained himself to fight smaller guys, not that skilled at all. Michael Nunn was described as the middleweight Muhammed Ali. He was special. Coralles was not special at all. No where near an ATG.