True or False: James Toney's win over Michael Nunn is better than any win of Floyd's?

[IMDAZED]

The right time would have been at his pinnacle, "09, "10. You know that man. I think any sane person would have given him full credit if he beat him then and it's more than likely he would have back then, too. He beat everyone, but if you think his win over a guy like Mosley at age 40 is as good a win as when Vernon Forrest beat him, then you couldn't be more wrong. Not every win is the same.

Too bad Manny ducked. Not Floyd's fault. He got the win anyway.

[Pac=Duran]

Like Pacquiao's? Any win can be discredited, there's always an excuse.

The wins over Barrera, Morales, Ledwaba, Cotto and Bradley can't be discredited. Top class wins.

[Ahmed_Ismail]

The wins over Barrera, Morales, Ledwaba, Cotto and Bradley can't be discredited. Top class wins.

Morales was coming off a loss and he still beat Pacquiao, and in the rematch he had to move down a whole weight class and he was coming off 2 losses this time.

Cotto had just gotten physically, mentally and psychologically destroyed less than a year before he fought Pacquiao and he looked like **** against Clottey in a fight where some people thought he lost, once Pacquiao started landing Cotto's face got cut up and bruised from the scars he sustained against the cheater. Plus the fight was at a catchweight, I don't believe this was a big factor but still it was a catchweight and by Roach's own admission they did it to have an advantage over Cotto, Pacquiao should've fought Margarito wjo actually won the fight at 147, but he waited till he got KTFO by Mosley and again instead of fighting the winner Mosley he fought the loser Margarito at a catchweight.

Bradley I was a good win, and yes I call it a win, but bear in mind this was Bradley's first fight at 147, the rematch was kinda pointless since Pacquiao already beat him, but it was also not a bad win cuz Bradley had just beaten Marquez and he was rated P4P, Barrera was great and Ledwaba was good.

[Sugar Adam Ali]

Morales was coming off a loss and he still beat Pacquiao, and in the rematch he had to move down a whole weight class and he was coming off 2 losses this time.

Cotto had just gotten physically, mentally and psychologically destroyed less than a year before he fought Pacquiao and he looked like **** against Clottey in a fight where some people thought he lost, once Pacquiao started landing Cotto's face got cut up and bruised from the scars he sustained against the cheater. Plus the fight was at a catchweight, I don't believe this was a big factor but still it was a catchweight and by Roach's own admission they did it to have an advantage over Cotto, Pacquiao should've fought Margarito wjo actually won the fight at 147, but he waited till he got KTFO by Mosley and again instead of fighting the winner Mosley he fought the loser Margarito at a catchweight.

Bradley I was a good win, and yes I call it a win, but bear in mind this was Bradley's first fight at 147, the rematch was kinda pointless since Pacquiao already beat him, but it was also not a bad win cuz Bradley had just beaten Marquez and he was rated P4P, Barrera was great and Ledwaba was good.

Morales was still a badass... Yeah he just lost a thriller to another great in barrera... Doesn't mean he was washed up

[Sugar Adam Ali]

i haven't seen that fight in a while, but i seemed to remember toney hitting nunn with a lot of hard counterpunches that took their toll later in the fight.

Toney was losing round after round, but really never panicked, nunn went into "coast" mode about the 8th and from the 9th round on, toney started bombing away..
Like how lennox didn't respect Rahman and McCall, that was basically nunn after 8 rds.., he thought he was on his way to an easy decision but didn't realize they call toney "lights out" for a reason

[Pac=Duran]

Morales was coming off a loss and he still beat Pacquiao, and in the rematch he had to move down a whole weight class and he was coming off 2 losses this time.

Cotto had just gotten physically, mentally and psychologically destroyed less than a year before he fought Pacquiao and he looked like **** against Clottey in a fight where some people thought he lost, once Pacquiao started landing Cotto's face got cut up and bruised from the scars he sustained against the cheater. Plus the fight was at a catchweight, I don't believe this was a big factor but still it was a catchweight and by Roach's own admission they did it to have an advantage over Cotto, Pacquiao should've fought Margarito wjo actually won the fight at 147, but he waited till he got KTFO by Mosley and again instead of fighting the winner Mosley he fought the loser Margarito at a catchweight.

Bradley I was a good win, and yes I call it a win, but bear in mind this was Bradley's first fight at 147, the rematch was kinda pointless since Pacquiao already beat him, but it was also not a bad win cuz Bradley had just beaten Marquez and he was rated P4P, Barrera was great and Ledwaba was good.

Nuts that you degrade Pac's fantastic wins over Cotto and Morales. Cotto was 100% in his prime, the CW didn't matter (look at his weigh in weight vs Clottey) and if anything it was a coaching problem that caused him to lose so spectacularly (fight should have been stopped in the 8th or 9th). He took a whipping against Margo but was still mentally with it as he didn't view it as a legit loss due to the wraps controversy. Is Floyd win over Manny degraded due to Manny having been KTFO'd against Marquez and lossing a war to Morales in 2005?

Morales getting ourboxed by a great spoiler in Raheem means sweet **** all tbh. Pac still fought a great version of Morales (the guy arguably beat Maidana and Danny Garcia when he was fat old and washed up, 6 and 7 years after his Pac trilogy) and you say he was coming off a loss but all those Barrera fights were razor thin and the Raheem fight wasn't a drubbing as everyone says, it was close, a 7-5 or 8-4 fight.

Pac's wins over Cotto and Morales are as legit as they come. Fantastic wins over ATG Mexican and ATG Rican. Don't degrade these warriors you fool!

[Johnwoo8686]

Nuts that you degrade Pac's fantastic wins over Cotto and Morales. Cotto was 100% in his prime, the CW didn't matter (look at his weigh in weight vs Clottey) and if anything it was a coaching problem that caused him to lose so spectacularly (fight should have been stopped in the 8th or 9th). He took a whipping against Margo but was still mentally with it as he didn't view it as a legit loss due to the wraps controversy. Is Floyd win over Manny degraded due to Manny having been KTFO'd against Marquez and lossing a war to Morales in 2005?

Morales getting ourboxed by a great spoiler in Raheem means sweet **** all tbh. Pac still fought a great version of Morales (the guy arguably beat Maidana and Danny Garcia when he was fat old and washed up, 6 and 7 years after his Pac trilogy) and you say he was coming off a loss but all those Barrera fights were razor thin and the Raheem fight wasn't a drubbing as everyone says, it was close, a 7-5 or 8-4 fight.

Pac's wins over Cotto and Morales are as legit as they come. Fantastic wins over ATG Mexican and ATG Rican. Don't degrade these warriors you fool!

You just wrote a bunch of nonsense. No Cotto was not in his prime when Pacquiao fought him. IT is well known Cotto's father wanted him to retire before the Pacquiao fight. Cotto was already showing signs of decline in the Clottey fight, a fight which many people think he lost. Cotto admitted that he lost a lot of confidence from the Margarito fight as well. SO Manny fought Cotto when he was coming off a controversial win, was lacking confidence, lacking a proper trainer, and put a catch weight on the fight. Cotto said he was not at his best before the Pacquiao fight.

And Morales was already thinking about retirement when Manny first fought him. Just go watch the full HBO broadcast of the first fight and Morales is quoted as saying he was thinking about retirement. He had 50 plus fights, several wars, and he was still able to kick Manny's ass in the first fight.
You're trying to build up Cotto and Morales to make Manny's wins seem better than they actually were. Cotto and Morales both said they were far from their best when they fought Manny and Morales STILL beat him the first time.

[Pac=Duran]

You just wrote a bunch of nonsense. No Cotto was not in his prime when Pacquiao fought him. IT is well known Cotto's father wanted him to retire before the Pacquiao fight. Cotto was already showing signs of decline in the Clottey fight, a fight which many people think he lost. Cotto admitted that he lost a lot of confidence from the Margarito fight as well. SO Manny fought Cotto when he was coming off a controversial win, was lacking confidence, lacking a proper trainer, and put a catch weight on the fight. Cotto said he was not at his best before the Pacquiao fight.

And Morales was already thinking about retirement when Manny first fought him. Just go watch the full HBO broadcast of the first fight and Morales is quoted as saying he was thinking about retirement. He had 50 plus fights, several wars, and he was still able to kick Manny's ass in the first fight.
You're trying to build up Cotto and Morales to make Manny's wins seem better than they actually were. Cotto and Morales both said they were far from their best when they fought Manny and Morales STILL beat him the first time.

Pure bullshlt to justify your skewed view of things laddie. Just take a look at the first few rounds of Pac vs Cotto, this is Cotto in some of the best form of his life. Pac just was on fire and got to him and obliterated his confidence after that hard KD.

Old fat bloated shot to shlt Morales arguably beat Danny Garcia and Maidana in their primes and Pac doesn't get credit for beating him twice 7 years earlier? lol Log off son.

[Johnwoo8686]

Pure bullshlt to justify your skewed view of things laddie. Just take a look at the first few rounds of Pac vs Cotto, this is Cotto in some of the best form of his life. Pac just was on fire and got to him and obliterated his confidence after that hard KD.

Old fat bloated shot to shlt Morales arguably beat Danny Garcia and Maidana in their primes and Pac doesn't get credit for beating him twice 7 years earlier? lol Log off son.

Just because Pac ate some shots from Cotto doesn't mean Cotto was at his best. Freddie Roach knew Cotto wasn't at his best, Cotto's father knew Cotto wasn't at his best, and Cotto knew he wasn't at his best. You guys just want to delude yourselves into believing Manny Pacquiao is better than he actually was.

Shot Morales LOST to Maidana and Garcia... get it? He LOST. He did not win. Maidana and Garcia are average fighters anyway. And at least they got the job done the first time against Morales unlike Pacquiao.

[Pac=Duran]

Just because Pac ate some shots from Cotto doesn't mean Cotto was at his best. Freddie Roach knew Cotto wasn't at his best, Cotto's father knew Cotto wasn't at his best, and Cotto knew he wasn't at his best. You guys just want to delude yourselves into believing Manny Pacquiao is better than he actually was.

Shot Morales LOST to Maidana and Garcia... get it? He LOST. He did not win. Maidana and Garcia are average fighters anyway. And at least they got the job done the first time against Morales unlike Pacquiao.

I said shot Morales "arguably" beat prime Garcia and Maidana. I personally think they were way closer to draws, but the point is that Morales was shot to shlt then, but managed to almostwin/draw/make it close, coimpletely and utterly shot.

Cotto was not prime in 2009 yet is now the lineal middleweight champion lololol