Which of These Two Fighters do You Have Ranked Higher All-Time RIGHT NOW?

[New England]

Manny was weighing in the 140s when he was fighting at 130 the night of the fight and when he was at featherweight, he was at weighing over 135 the night of the fight. the size thing is overblown and he was cutting weigh like everyone else.

He turned pro as a malnourished kid.....when he got money in his pocket he couldn't make 112 anymore and skipped 115 and 118 altogether....not because he was chasing greatness, he couldn't make those weights...his body matured and he was a natural welterweight himself at the end of his career


Size doesn't = better




Manny does not have the better resume.....his record in title fights is like 10-5.....Floyd is over 20 and 0 and most are lineal title fights


Mayweather has more defenses of titles, beat more champions and hall of famers


there really isn't a legit way to argue Manny having the better resume....ALso losing to Morales then beating him after Raheem did it at a better weigh for Morales knowing damn well el terrible couldn't make 130 anymore and they refused to let him fight Manny at a catch weight


the gloss of the weight jumping gets mared when you look at his fight night weights and the fact that his high profile weight jump fights were with guys coming off tough losses and fights at catchweights.....Margarito, ODLH, and Cotto




Also most times Mayweather fought big names after career defininf wins.....Mosley after he blitzed Margo...Manny fought him after not looking impressive for years and going 1-1-1 in his 3 fights prior when he finally did

Mayweather fought Hatton after beating Tsyzu and Castillo, was undefeated......Manny fights him after getting knocked out and shaky showing vs Lazcano



Mayweather fought DLH after he beat Mayorga and won the wbc title at 154 at his weight, Oscar chose the ring, and gloves....Manny fought him after a loss to Floyd and a bad showing vs Forbes



Its not just who you beat but when and Top rank mastered the art of capitalizing on a name at the right time

refer to my post that makes it indisputable that in 2009 [both of their primes] floyd and manny were a weight class apart.


manny didn't outgrow 140 lbs. the most natural weight for manny when he was a ppv star was a shade under 140. the best looking pacquiao physically was the one that fought ricky hatton, which was in 2009, and he was 138 for that fight.


also look to what i've said about pacquiao's nutrition, which i can back up with sources if you'd like. ariza is on the record saying that he had pacquiao eating as many as 7000 calories a day while he trained so that he would keep / put on weight.


floyd was on IVs by the time he was retired!!

you can act like the sky is red. i know it is blue.

[therealpugilist]

[QUOTE=New England;16384206]on the bold, dunn, your card was pulled on judging that when you participated in a 6+ year feud with an agenda. i have no biases toward manny pacquiao. floyd is truly the more endearing fighter to me. i saw him live when he fought canelo.


the morales win in the second fight does get a bit overrated. the third fight is hardly even remembered.

morales would always have trouble with zahir raheem [who was NOT an awful fighter, BTW.] i really believe that. the style wasn't good for morales late in his career, and raheem was an olympian who knew how to operate.


floyd's a lot bigger. this is one of the biggest reasons i find the mayweather fanbase to be so deluded. i want you to address these points. i've gone through this quite a bit in the history section with dan hamza, a very good poster, but a biased one.

why did floyd miss weight against marquez in '09? he was in well documented financial trouble at the time. he certainly needed the money. marquez looked like a but hitting a windshield in that fight.

manny was 138 in 2009 when he fought hatton. this was approximately 6 months BEFORE floyd fought marquez.

what's going on here? there's an insurmountable gap of an entire weight class. why?

floyd could not weigh 138 in 2009 because he's naturally bigger than manny pacquiao to the tune of more than a weight class. let's also consider that ariza had pacquiao on a massive caloric surplus during his tenure at WW to help him put on weight, which i can verify with both print and video sources.



i'm not even goign to open a can of worms and talk about the time they fought, and floyd needed an IV . WTF do you need an IV for if you aren't dehydrated? the treatment to mild to moderate dehydration in an athlete is to have him drink water and electrolytes.




it sounds like you think floyd made some kind of late run in his career that allowed him to pull ahead of pacquiao. which wins are those?[/QUOTE]


After coming back in 09 and up til now, he regained the lineal welterweight title, unified the WBO/WBA/WBC...also did this at 154 besides the WBO, and all his opponents were either current/former champions and hall of famers.....Marquez, Manny, Cotto, Guerrero, Maidana(2x), Guerrero, Berto, Ortiz, Mosley and Canelo is nothing to sneeze at......

name me a welterweight from the last 5-6 years that goes through those guys undefeated???? Cant say Manny cause he never beat JMM clearly without, not even one time but got KTFO by him. Thurman, Bradley, none of the guys the past few years would have gone undefeated fighting that list

Mayweather is just a better fighter than Manny... and always was...more skills in the ring, more know how and with comparable athleticism......nothing wrong with being one of the best in your era....its just messed up the media wanted him to be the best so bad, that they got casual fans all hyped and the people in the know (former pro boxers, current ones, trainers, and hall of famers) were picking Floyd to win. Outside of their distaste for his style or personality, there were not too many good reasons why people thought Manny would win, besides they wanted Floyd to lose

[Deevel916]

Floyd is ranked higher than Pac but Pac is more respected than Floyd.

[therealpugilist]

[QUOTE=New England;16384224]refer to my post that makes it indisputable that in 2009 [both of their primes] floyd and manny were a weight class apart.


manny didn't outgrow 140 lbs. the most natural weight for manny when he was a ppv star was a shade under 140. the best looking pacquiao physically was the one that fought ricky hatton, which was in 2009, and he was 138 for that fight.


also look to what i've said about pacquiao's nutrition, which i can back up with sources if you'd like. ariza is on the record saying that he had pacquiao eating as many as 7000 calories a day while he trained so that he would keep / put on weight.


floyd was on IVs by the time he was retired!!

you can act like the sky is red. i know it is blue.[/QUOTE]





you might want to take your own advice.....you're acting like Manny has a better resume knowing he doesn't......their records show it clear as day.....Mayweather has like 15 less fights and has 3x as many title defenses, beat more champions, hall of famers, and far more title fights.....I know you don't like Mayweather or don't want to acknowledge that he proved he was the best but you gotta be blind

[New England]

and i didn't even get to the cotto fight


so the cotto who fought mayweather was a better fighter than the cotto who fought manny?

and how'd the fights, go, anyway? cotto busted floyd up a bit and gave him a good showing. manny beat the F#ck out of him and carried him late


surely you can't tell me with a straight face that you give mayweather more credit for his win over cotto? catchweight doe. and then you'll probably discount the alvarez catchweight's significance in the next breath.

alvarez missed 155 in his next outting. had to make a new weight class, FFS. cotto was 146 against clottey. that 1 lb to make the 145 lb weight in the manny fight is going to make you discount that manny had a much clearer win and fought a much fresher cotto?

cotto went out in his next fight after floyd and lost to austin trout. cotto's career, [outside of floyd mayweather in his prime which is obviously a tough contest,] has been a farce basically since manny finished what margarito started.

yuri foreman?
martinez' dead body?
blind margarito [and who blinded him, BTW?]
losing clearly to canelo?
i mentioned the trout fight.
dan geale at a catchweight, and after getting his head taken off by golovkin 6 months earlier?

this is what cotto did after floyd mayweather.


pacquaio's cotto win > floyds. clearly.

[therealpugilist]

Floyd is ranked higher than Pac but Pac is more respected than Floyd.

^^^^^that sums it up

[The Big Dunn]

on the bold, dunn, your card was pulled on judging that when you participated in a 6+ year feud with an agenda. i have no biases toward manny pacquiao. floyd is truly the more endearing fighter to me. i saw him live when he fought canelo.


the morales win in the second fight does get a bit overrated. the third fight is hardly even remembered.

morales would always have trouble with zahir raheem [who was NOT an awful fighter, BTW.] i really believe that. the style wasn't good for morales late in his career, and raheem was an olympian who knew how to operate.


floyd's a lot bigger. this is one of the biggest reasons i find the mayweather fanbase to be so deluded. i want you to address these points. i've gone through this quite a bit in the history section with dan hamza, a very good poster, but a biased one.

why did floyd miss weight against marquez in '09? he was in well documented financial trouble at the time. he certainly needed the money. marquez looked like a but hitting a windshield in that fight.

manny was 138 in 2009 when he fought hatton. this was approximately 6 months BEFORE floyd fought marquez.

what's going on here? there's an insurmountable gap of an entire weight class. why?

floyd could not weigh 138 in 2009 because he's naturally bigger than manny pacquiao to the tune of more than a weight class. let's also consider that ariza had pacquiao on a massive caloric surplus during his tenure at WW to help him put on weight, which i can verify with both print and video sources.



i'm not even goign to open a can of worms and talk about the time they fought, and floyd needed an IV . WTF do you need an IV for if you aren't dehydrated? the treatment to mild to moderate dehydration in an athlete is to have him drink water and electrolytes.




it sounds like you think floyd made some kind of late run in his career that allowed him to pull ahead of pacquiao. which wins are those?

That's ridiculous. I'm a Floyd fan. Arguing with people on a board doesn't disqualify my opinion. This poll was put up in August 2015, what was said and done from 2009- May 2, 2015 has no bearing on how one voted given the info available at the time.

I don't know for sure why he missed weight. My guess is because he couldn't get down to 144 after having been out for 2 years and not taking the best care of himself. It was harder than he thought.

I didn't disagree with you Floyd was bigger. Manny however allowed himself to be positioned to fight Floyd. He had to know he'd be fighting someone bigger, stronger, faster with a longer reach, and taller. This is why I laugh at those who can't grasp why the fight didn't happen in 2009.

If you are arguing Manny should have stayed at 140, ok.

No, IMO he was always ahead of Manny, I will concede though as a Floyd fan obviously there is bias.

As for this thread, you just can't vote Manny and be considered serious, given what we know.

[New England]

[QUOTE=therealpugilist;16384237]

refer to my post that makes it indisputable that in 2009 [both of their primes] floyd and manny were a weight class apart.


manny didn't outgrow 140 lbs. the most natural weight for manny when he was a ppv star was a shade under 140. the best looking pacquiao physically was the one that fought ricky hatton, which was in 2009, and he was 138 for that fight.


also look to what i've said about pacquiao's nutrition, which i can back up with sources if you'd like. ariza is on the record saying that he had pacquiao eating as many as 7000 calories a day while he trained so that he would keep / put on weight.


floyd was on IVs by the time he was retired!!

you can act like the sky is red. i know it is blue.[/QUOTE]





you might want to take your own advice.....you're acting like Manny has a better resume knowing he doesn't......their records show it clear as day.....Mayweather has like 15 less fights and has 3x as many title defenses, beat more champions, hall of famers, and far more title fights.....I know you don't like Mayweather or don't want to acknowledge that he proved he was the best but you gotta be blind

he proved he was the best when they fought, is that it?


i wanted dunn to say this, so i asked him a loaded question in the other post. you guys really think a win over manny pacquiao in 2015 is some kind of great win



and kid, please don't talk to me about not liking floyd mayweather. i went to vegas and paid a lot of money to see floyd mayweather fight canelo alvarez. i certainly wasn't there for canelo

you need to stop with that nonsense and realize that people who don't agree with you aren't all involved with a 6 year race war over boxing, and biased. i have no biases concerning either of these two fighters. if anything, i'm partial to floyd. you can take that or leave it. i'm not going to talk about numbers, but i paid a lot of money to see floyd fight. a lot . he's the best defensive fighter of all time, and i'm a boxing fan. a dog loves a bone. i love floyd mayweather.

manny has a better resume. floyd's a better fighter.

[New England]

That's ridiculous. I'm a Floyd fan. Arguing with people on a board doesn't disqualify my opinion. This poll was put up in August 2015, what was said and done from 2009- May 2, 2015 has no bearing on how one voted given the info available at the time.

I don't know for sure why he missed weight. My guess is because he couldn't get down to 144 after having been out for 2 years and not taking the best care of himself. It was harder than he thought.

I didn't disagree with you Floyd was bigger. Manny however allowed himself to be positioned to fight Floyd. He had to know he'd be fighting someone bigger, stronger, faster with a longer reach, and taller. This is why I laugh at those who can't grasp why the fight didn't happen in 2009.

If you are arguing Manny should have stayed at 140, ok.

No, IMO he was always ahead of Manny, I will concede though as a Floyd fan obviously there is bias.

As for this thread, you just can't vote Manny and be considered serious, given what we know.

you can take this or leave it: how you and others behaved during that time will always have an effect on how i view your opinions. you've had plenty of time to show us your biases. 6 years is a lot of time to tie a noose and hang yourself. i still like you guys, but i remember those days. i'm talking about guys from both sides of the war. there are good posters from either side, but they're still biased, and should be taken with a grain of salt.

you guys are biased. i'm really not. can you say that you really love both manny pacquiao and floyd mayweather? i'ts going to be hard for me to believe the mayweather / pacquiao fans after reading what you've written all of these years.

start talking a bout andre ward and maybe we can talk, and that's only because i feel like he's become an underdog and somebody whose cause needs championing . i also like to ahve everybody against me. love a fair fight

[The Big Dunn]

and i didn't even get to the cotto fight


so the cotto who fought mayweather was a better fighter than the cotto who fought manny?

and how'd the fights, go, anyway? cotto busted floyd up a bit and gave him a good showing. manny beat the F#ck out of him and carried him late


surely you can't tell me with a straight face that you give mayweather more credit for his win over cotto? catchweight doe. and then you'll probably discount the alvarez catchweight's significance in the next breath.

alvarez missed 155 in his next outting. had to make a new weight class, FFS. cotto was 146 against clottey. that 1 lb to make the 145 lb weight in the manny fight is going to make you discount that manny had a much clearer win and fought a much fresher cotto?

cotto went out in his next fight after floyd and lost to austin trout. cotto's career, [outside of floyd mayweather in his prime which is obviously a tough contest,] has been a farce basically since manny finished what margarito started.

yuri foreman?
martinez' dead body?
blind margarito [and who blinded him, BTW?]
losing clearly to canelo?
i mentioned the trout fight.
dan geale at a catchweight, and after getting his head taken off by golovkin 6 months earlier?

this is what cotto did after floyd mayweather.


pacquaio's cotto win > floyds. clearly.

Ok. Relative to Manny's resume you need to point out the fight was at 145, not 147. Manny not being able to win the title at 147 should be factored in, same way Floyd's 152 for Canelo should be.

Then you have Manny wining 154lb title at 151 while Floyd won it at 154. Floyd won the ww title at 147, not 145.

So when you get into resumes, you can't just go with "best win ".