Which of These Two Fighters do You Have Ranked Higher All-Time RIGHT NOW?

[The Big Dunn]

Couldn't have said it better, too many fanboys on here.

Take a look at the posters that voted for Manny. It's mainly a bunch of clowns. I've got about 80-90% of them on ignore.

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Here are the names. Is what it is I guess. Sadly, couple guys I consider decent posters.

[The Big Dunn]

a decent minority of people think pac beat floyd since he was the one landing cleanly. why would they vote for floyd because the judges were poor? would you have voted for pac if he had got the official decision even though i'm sure you would still think floyd won right? a fanboy is someone who continually brings up compubox numbers to try and prove his guy won a fight when he knows damn well those numbers are trash. sure maybe you thought floyd won but provide some good evidence not inaccurate data or vague platitudes about how he outboxed pac and controlled a fight in which he was beating hit cleanly and his punches were not landing cleanly. you think floyd won and is better. cool. some people think manny won and is better. its not like they are saying eric crumble is better...errr well i did

No they don't daggum. STop with the over exaggerated hyperbole. There is no justification for voting for Manny when this poll was made. None.

If Manny had fought like Floyd and his opponent fought like him, you'd never argue the other guy won. Had Manny won, there would be no justification to vote for Floyd. No need to deflect to that to try and make a point where there is none.

No matter what evidence is provided, guys like you will decide it has no validity just because.

Most of the people that voted for Manny are the same guys complaining about the quality of the site and the proliferation of trolls and fanboys that weaken the site. If you are so against them for the way they undermine the site, why do you behave just like them?

[therealpugilist]

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Here are the names. Is what it is I guess. Sadly, couple guys I consider decent posters.

YEA, the few that actually gave a real assessment to why they picked Manny....90% of them were just ready to see Mayweather lose and just hoped Manny won

[New England]

pacquiao's got a better resume.

floyd's the better h2h fighter by bit of a stretch, and an awful style that would beat manny at any weight from 130 to 154.


i rank them right alongside each other. probably shading manny because he was a smaller guy whose weight climbing was far more significant.

[New England]

No they don't daggum. STop with the over exaggerated hyperbole. There is no justification for voting for Manny when this poll was made. None.

If Manny had fought like Floyd and his opponent fought like him, you'd never argue the other guy won. Had Manny won, there would be no justification to vote for Floyd. No need to deflect to that to try and make a point where there is none.

No matter what evidence is provided, guys like you will decide it has no validity just because.

Most of the people that voted for Manny are the same guys complaining about the quality of the site and the proliferation of trolls and fanboys that weaken the site. If you are so against them for the way they undermine the site, why do you behave just like them?

manny has a better resume. more prolific weight climber. fought more premium opponents closer to their primes. fought at a great disadvantage of weight. floyd was a natural WW by the end of his career. he had 5 inches on manny in reach [hugely significant at WW] 2-3 inches in height [also significant at WW,] and they were separated by a weight class, or two, or even three, for much of their primes.

[The Big Dunn]

manny has a better resume. more prolific weight climber. fought more premium opponents closer to their primes. fought at a great disadvantage of weight. floyd was a natural WW by the end of his career. he had 5 inches on manny in reach [hugely significant at WW] 2-3 inches in height [also significant at WW,] and they were separated by a weight class, or two, or even three, for much of their primes.

No he doesn't have a better resume. Resume is wins and losses (not just wins) and when you fight someone. Perfect example is Morales.

Loses to Morales (not terrible) then beats him 2x after Morales gets utterly outclassed and embarrassed by Zahir Raheem. Does Morales enhance his resume? Guess its up to the individual.

Yes he fought in more weight classes. He didn't fight at a "great disadvantage in weight". He fought bigger guys, as did Floyd, for the money. Please, stop embellishing.

Yes, Floyd had longer reach and is taller, he is also as fast, smarter and has a much higher boxing IQ which contributes to why he is better.

There is just no way you can vote Manny in August 2015 and be taken seriously.

[Bravado]

This poll was made 6 months after Floyd beat Manny. Given his loss to Floyd and his other losses, anyone that voted for Manny contributes to the loss of credibility of this site.

Its like asking who is better Manny or Bradley and voting Bradley.

I get a lot of guys hate Floyd and do not like that he won. That dislike, hate, jealousy, disgust, contempt etc shouldn't be to such a degree that posters compromise your own integrity as a boxing fan.

You can't expect much from morally bankrupt people.

[therealpugilist]

manny has a better resume. more prolific weight climber. fought more premium opponents closer to their primes. fought at a great disadvantage of weight. floyd was a natural WW by the end of his career. he had 5 inches on manny in reach [hugely significant at WW] 2-3 inches in height [also significant at WW,] and they were separated by a weight class, or two, or even three, for much of their primes.

Manny was weighing in the 140s when he was fighting at 130 the night of the fight and when he was at featherweight, he was at weighing over 135 the night of the fight. the size thing is overblown and he was cutting weigh like everyone else.

He turned pro as a malnourished kid.....when he got money in his pocket he couldn't make 112 anymore and skipped 115 and 118 altogether....not because he was chasing greatness, he couldn't make those weights...his body matured and he was a natural welterweight himself at the end of his career


Size doesn't = better




Manny does not have the better resume.....his record in title fights is like 10-5.....Floyd is over 20 and 0 and most are lineal title fights


Mayweather has more defenses of titles, beat more champions and hall of famers


there really isn't a legit way to argue Manny having the better resume....ALso losing to Morales then beating him after Raheem did it at a better weigh for Morales knowing damn well el terrible couldn't make 130 anymore and they refused to let him fight Manny at a catch weight


the gloss of the weight jumping gets mared when you look at his fight night weights and the fact that his high profile weight jump fights were with guys coming off tough losses and fights at catchweights.....Margarito, ODLH, and Cotto




Also most times Mayweather fought big names after career defininf wins.....Mosley after he blitzed Margo...Manny fought him after not looking impressive for years and going 1-1-1 in his 3 fights prior when he finally did

Mayweather fought Hatton after beating Tsyzu and Castillo, was undefeated......Manny fights him after getting knocked out and shaky showing vs Lazcano



Mayweather fought DLH after he beat Mayorga and won the wbc title at 154 at his weight, Oscar chose the ring, and gloves....Manny fought him after a loss to Floyd and a bad showing vs Forbes



Its not just who you beat but when and Top rank mastered the art of capitalizing on a name at the right time

[New England]

No he doesn't have a better resume. Resume is wins and losses (not just wins) and when you fight someone. Perfect example is Morales.

Loses to Morales (not terrible) then beats him 2x after Morales gets utterly outclassed and embarrassed by Zahir Raheem. Does Morales enhance his resume? Guess its up to the individual.

Yes he fought in more weight classes. He didn't fight at a "great disadvantage in weight". He fought bigger guys, as did Floyd, for the money. Please, stop embellishing.

Yes, Floyd had longer reach and is taller, he is also as fast, smarter and has a much higher boxing IQ which contributes to why he is better.

There is just no way you can vote Manny in August 2015 and be taken seriously.

on the bold, dunn, your card was pulled on judging that when you participated in a 6+ year feud with an agenda. i have no biases toward manny pacquiao. floyd is truly the more endearing fighter to me. i saw him live when he fought canelo.


the morales win in the second fight does get a bit overrated. the third fight is hardly even remembered.

morales would always have trouble with zahir raheem [who was NOT an awful fighter, BTW.] i really believe that. the style wasn't good for morales late in his career, and raheem was an olympian who knew how to operate.


floyd's a lot bigger. this is one of the biggest reasons i find the mayweather fanbase to be so deluded. i want you to address these points. i've gone through this quite a bit in the history section with dan hamza, a very good poster, but a biased one.

why did floyd miss weight against marquez in '09? he was in well documented financial trouble at the time. he certainly needed the money. marquez looked like a but hitting a windshield in that fight.

manny was 138 in 2009 when he fought hatton. this was approximately 6 months BEFORE floyd fought marquez.

what's going on here? there's an insurmountable gap of an entire weight class. why?

floyd could not weigh 138 in 2009 because he's naturally bigger than manny pacquiao to the tune of more than a weight class. let's also consider that ariza had pacquiao on a massive caloric surplus during his tenure at WW to help him put on weight, which i can verify with both print and video sources.



i'm not even goign to open a can of worms and talk about the time they fought, and floyd needed an IV . WTF do you need an IV for if you aren't dehydrated? the treatment to mild to moderate dehydration in an athlete is to have him drink water and electrolytes.




it sounds like you think floyd made some kind of late run in his career that allowed him to pull ahead of pacquiao. which wins are those?

[hugh grant]

Floyd is higher in this poll, whilst PAC usually beat Floyd in all polls in the past?
But PAC should be higher as he took more risks, stepping up more divisions. Plus took more risks and not as methodical and calculated. You look at Floyd's career he looks as if the zero was all that mattered at any cost.
PAC gave rematches when he totally outclasses people . Floyd's excuse is that his wins are boring so he don't have to rematch? But credit to Floyd ewhen his fights were controversial he did give rematches. But in the case of Castillo it was basically Floyd begging for rematch as he knew the world thought he lost.
Never fought outside his country! PACs greater. Unbeaten records don't mean much other than to the ego of the one with the zero