Here is a video of the Castillo/Mayweather Robbery. Castillo- the clear winner

[GunStar]

im sure those are the same people who scored mosely de la hoya 2 for mosely. castillo won 2 of the first 6 then easly won at least 5 of the later ones

First of all it is impossible to give Castillo 2 of the first 6 rounds. Also you need to check your eyes buddy if you score 5 of the later rounds to Castillo.

[GunStar]

roth is a ****ing joke. he has been part of so many contraversial fights

I guess all 3 judges are a joke But the biased HBO announcers are not.

[moy22487]

See I'm not the least bit biased....because both guys are my favorite fighters and I would not award the fight unequally to either one. I just think there is no way in hell the fight could be scored for PBF.

In my estimation...they should take points away from people for running away in a fight. That's why when I watched Tito v.s. Oscar again....I called it a draw. Initially I scored it in favor to Oscar but he ran like a ****ing *****.

I think when someone pedals away from someone the entire fight...a couple of 10-8 rounds should be awarded to the agressor. In fact....I automatically score the fight for an agressor and it's up to the person pedaling away to land punches that stop him, and reverse the tide.

if the boxer who is chasing cant cut of the ring to stop him doesnt that mean that the one on his bike is using the ring better?

[GunStar]

Mayweather Beats Castillo. Merchant, Lederman and Lampley...


22 April, 2002 - By Cliff Clark

Floyd Mayweather Jr. won a clear victory over Jose Luis Castillo Saturday night, but somehow TV commentators Jim Lampley, Larry Merchant and Harold Lederman didn't see it that way. Of course none of these three men has ever boxed, or knows very much about boxing, but that doesn't stop them from being the three most pompous asses ever to ruin a boxing telecast. Not only did they report a different fight than the one that was taking place; they made snide remarks about Mayweather being a "house fighter", being a "gifted" fighter, and otherwise implied blatant favoritism by the three judges. All of the judges correctly saw Mayweather winning by a very solid margin. Their cards were very similar.

The job of commentators should not be to score the fight, but to comment on it. Jim Lampley especially seemed unsure of just how some rounds should be scored. "Tough round to score" Lampley opined after the 11th round, a round that saw Mayweather rock Castillo back with sharp left hooks, and a variety of counter shots. They all seemed to see the fight differently. Lederman had Castillo winning by a solid margin after the 11th while Merchant had Jose winning by a single point. The only thing they agreed on was that Floyd Mayweather was beaten. "I don't think there is any controversy" Merchant exclaimed. "I think most people believe Castillo won." This asinine comment tells you why three boxing judges often have a fight scored so astoundingly different. They are simply as many incompetent judges as there are inept commentators.

The person who did the compubox punch stats for the Mayweather-Castillo fight must have been named Castillo. Mayweather out boxed Castillo by a mile in the first round. Floyd clearly out boxed Jose in each of the first five rounds, landing numerous jabs and hooks, and drawing blood from Castillo's nose. By the end of the fight Castillo's cheeks and left eye were puffy, while Mayweather's only mark came from a head butt. Although Castillo did connect with some good solid punches, he landed far less often than Mayweather. Floyd finished the fight without any swelling or marks on his cheeks or eyes. Castillo is a very tough and sturdy lightweight who had a nine-pound weight advantage coming into the ring. Jose also showed a granite chin, but that doesn't land any punches for you. Many of the punches compubox credited Castillo with didn't land effectively. Castillo's punches were largely missing, or landing on Mayweather's gloves, elbows, or shoulders, straying below the belt, or landing after the bell. The name of the game is boxing, and the rounds should go to the boxer who lands the cleaner, harder, punches, and of course they need to be legal punches.

The sixth round was fairly close but I gave it to Mayweather. I guess if you were looking to give Castillo a round after he lost the first five, you might have given him that round. Castillo won the seventh, eighth and ninth rounds on my card as he tried to swarm over Mayweather with tremendous aggression. Mayweather seemed to be coasting in these rounds, trying to get Castillo to punch himself out a little. After fouling Mayweather about 50 times, and after repeated warnings to Castillo about punching on the break, punching low and punching after the bell, the referee finally took a point from Jose for contemptuously hitting on the break.

At that point Larry Merchant bitterly complained that the referee was being too "officious." However, that point deduction became a wash when the referee took a point from Mayweather for pushing off with his left forearm, which is something you tend to do when someone continuously runs into you with their head and shoulders. In fact at one point Castillo grabbed Mayweather, got him turned around, and then hit Mayweather a couple of times in the back with the referee just standing there. Even the commentators, except for Merchant, thought that was a very strange thing for the referee to allow.

Mayweather came back strong to win the 10th and 11th rounds going away. By the finale three rounds he had Castillo broken down a little, and he stood in there and punched with Castillo. Floyd ripped off sharp combinations and many good counter punches in those rounds. There is no way a competent judge would score rounds 10 and 11 for Castillo. The twelfth round was much closer and I gave it to Castillo. My score card read 115-111 for Mayweather, the same as two of the judges. The third judge had the fight 116-111 for Mayweather. They saw the same fight I did, and a different one than the commentators saw. I used to like 15 round title fights, because they separated the fighter's abilities in a way that was easier for mediocre judges and commentators to pick up on.

I remember the way Harold Lederman scored some rounds in the Hopkins-Trinidad fight, and a few other fights. He's just not very good at it. When one fighter is obviously outclassed and getting hurt, that seems to be the only time Lederman consistently gets it right. I even think that the other Lederman, I think her name is Julie-I don't know if she is his daughter or what-is better than he is. At least she scored the last Holyfield-Ruiz fight better than Harold did.

[moy22487]

I guess all 3 judges are a joke But the biased HBO announcers are not.

i know roth is a ****ing joke. i dont remember where ive seen the other judges.
you also said i need to check my eyes. castillos body work went unnoticed. and why wasnt there a point deduction for hitting after the bell? i know its minor and just a warning for the first time but still the ref was bad. mayweather got away with hitting after bell and castillo for low hits.

ps. larry going of about the ref was funny ****

[Run]

if the boxer who is chasing cant cut of the ring to stop him doesnt that mean that the one on his bike is using the ring better?

The ring generalship category goes in the agressor's favor in my opinion. If the fighter on the bike is simply running away and not using lateral movement in the center of the ring....he's losing in that category.

It's not like Floyd was circling around JLC. He was running straight back and away from him.

Chris Byrd is the best at ring generalship....because he doesn't run. He circles around his opponent and makes them look silly.



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[DiegoFuego]

Not true more people from the press had it for PBF.

It's also funny that this guy doesn't show the first 6 rounds, which PBF won at least 5 of the first rounds.

a fact everyone conveniently seems to forget when calling it a Castillo victory. good point

[moy22487]

The ring generalship category goes in the agressor's favor in my opinion. If the fighter on the bike is simply running away and not using lateral movement in the center of the ring....he's losing in that category.

It's not like Floyd was circling around JLC. He was running straight back and away from him.

Chris Byrd is the best at ring generalship....because he doesn't run. He circles around his opponent and makes them look silly.

de la hoya did circle tito tho. he even set him self up to make tito miss. he gave tito a target then took it away. but thats to off subject

[DiegoFuego]

The ring generalship category goes in the agressor's favor in my opinion. If the fighter on the bike is simply running away and not using lateral movement in the center of the ring....he's losing in that category.

It's not like Floyd was circling around JLC. He was running straight back and away from him.

Chris Byrd is the best at ring generalship....because he doesn't run. He circles around his opponent and makes them look silly.

you think points should be deducted for running. typical war-crazed boxing fan who only likes slugfests. Mayweather won. cry me a river.

[GunStar]

and why wasnt there a point deduction for hitting after the bell? i know its minor and just a warning for the first time but still the ref was bad. mayweather got away with hitting after bell and castillo for low hits.

ps. larry going of about the ref was funny ****

You see man, you just proved that you're biased. Anyone that was dirty in that fight was Castilio, he got away with many low blows.