After beating Joe Frazier and George Foreman in 74, Ali fought Chuck Wepner

[soul_survivor]

It is just a fight that doesn't matter, they have happened before for many guys and they will happen in the future. It just isn't that big a deal~

They are similar situation because they are meaningless fights that took place after big fights. The fact that Ali fought more doesn't change the fact that he fought some meaningless fights and in particular this one.

Ali had a different career than Floyd and is viewed as greater by everyone that matters. That isn't the point here, it is about having BS fights after a big spot.

You are putting up a strawman and calling that a reasonable argument~

Stop using terms like "strawman", first you are not using it correctly and second, this isn't some philosophical debate.

And, like I said before, if you can't see how vastly different the situation is, then it is beyond me being bothered in arguing against someone as ridiculous as you, not only comparing it with some that happened 40 years ago but also that you are trying to sell the idea of a Berto fight being ok.

GTFOH with that ****.

[The Gambler1981]

Stop using terms like "strawman", first you are not using it correctly and second, this isn't some philosophical debate.

And, like I said before, if you can't see how vastly different the situation is, then it is beyond me being bothered in arguing against someone as ridiculous as you, not only comparing it with some that happened 40 years ago but also that you are trying to sell the idea of a Berto fight being ok.

GTFOH with that ****.

Strawman is setting up a position that is not really what is being discussed but is obvious and easy to knock down rather than actually dealing with the matter at hand.

Pretty much what you have done because you aren't discussing the situation in question and are talking about something else.

So please oh erudite one explain to me where I went awry?

Where did I say the Berto fight was OK, I just don't care and find it meaningless. I just don't get twisted over meaningless things or any single fight for that matter because it is just one fight.

Why are you so angry over something so meaningless and trivial.

Time passed doesn't change the situations being similar so why even bring that up~

So really what the **** are you even talking about, you are all over the place~. Tighten up your position and maybe you will have something to really come at me with.

[The Noose]

This Berto fight is just one of many criticisms of Floyd over many years.
If it was just one mismatch, then people wouldnt be complaining so much.

[usmnt45]

Mayweather should have decided to fight Thurman

[The Gambler1981]

This Berto fight is just one of many criticisms of Floyd over many years.
If it was just one mismatch, then people wouldnt be complaining so much.

If people didn't constantly cry wolf, then maybe they would get listened to more often~

[ИATAS]

Lol, of course it's a fact. Doesn't mean it's the same thing as what Floyd's doing.

I think that's where opinion comes in. It's my opinion that it's very similar in the sense that Ali/Foreman was this huge world wide mega fight, and Ali followed it up with a very soft touch. Likewise Mayweather/Pacquiao was a huge world wide mega fight, and Floyd is following it up with a very soft touch. That's pretty much where I end the comparison. I'm not going into detail about Ali's opponents being tougher/better than Floyd's previous fights or anything like that, nor am I justifying Berto as an opponent (I've repeatedly said it's a crap fight and I'm not ordering the PPV) and as you know I'm not even a Floyd fan (I enjoy watching him fight but that's where it ends) and you probably know I don't like to dish out Floyd compliments very often either (I think he's extremely skilled and he's proven, imo, without any doubt he's the best fighter of this generation, but as far as the person goes he's a world class ****).

[ИATAS]

This Berto fight is just one of many criticisms of Floyd over many years.
If it was just one mismatch, then people wouldnt be complaining so much.

There isn't a whole lot to be complaining about though, honestly, because for the most part he fought the guys he needed to. My biggest beef with Floyd's career was his "retirement" when 147 was so damn hot with undefeated Cotto, Margarito killing opponents, Paul Williams being a force, hell even Kermit Cintron was beastin for a minute. Outside of that he came back fought Marquez, Ortiz was a top welterweight at the time, Guerrero was a mandatory, Mosley, Cotto, Canelo, Maidana and Pacquiao were all great fights. Of course we can all nitpick any opponent (Marquez coming up in weight/catchweight, Ortiz is a ******, Canelo young, Mosley/Pac old, etc) but you can do that with anyone's career. Bottom line for me anyways is he's fought everyone he's needed to fight since his "retirement", the only other top guy he didn't fight really would be Bradley. I'm not going to throw guys like Khan and Thurman in there because they haven't done anything to lead me to believe they would be any better than anyone else he's fought (both would be better opponents than Berto of course!). Speaking of Thurman vs Khan should happen ASAP winner could put them in position for Floyd's 50th fight (I don't believe for a minute Berto is Floyd's last fight).

Anyways, I'm just rambling. Floyd could have done more though, to really prove he's the "TBE" but he didn't, so that's my fair criticism of Floyd.

[GoldenGloveLove]

Of course this is true throughout boxing history but people get sandy-vagina'd about it now because they can't take the winning from Floyd. The winning that he has inflicted on their dreams and nightmares.

[The Gambler1981]

I think that's where opinion comes in. It's my opinion that it's very similar in the sense that Ali/Foreman was this huge world wide mega fight, and Ali followed it up with a very soft touch. Likewise Mayweather/Pacquiao was a huge world wide mega fight, and Floyd is following it up with a very soft touch. That's pretty much where I end the comparison. I'm not going into detail about Ali's opponents being tougher/better than Floyd's previous fights or anything like that, nor am I justifying Berto as an opponent (I've repeatedly said it's a crap fight and I'm not ordering the PPV) and as you know I'm not even a Floyd fan (I enjoy watching him fight but that's where it ends) and you probably know I don't like to dish out Floyd compliments very often either (I think he's extremely skilled and he's proven, imo, without any doubt he's the best fighter of this generation, but as far as the person goes he's a world class ****).

I just don't see how this stance is that unreasonable or why people are that twisted over pointing out some similarities.

Especially considering how meaningless this fight is, I know I don't really want to argue about this fight or even talk about it. However, it is not like this is some new groundbreaking stuff in boxing and big fight then soft touch is a pretty standard boxing tradition.

I got to say good thread though, because you found an interesting way to actually talk about this fight/situation that actually brought out some heated discussion. Not an easy feat

[billeau2]

Who had a record of 30-9-2 and Ali was a 10 to 1 betting favorite over. The fight was a joke in every way imaginable BUT Ali just beat the guy who beat him before in Frazier and then TKO's the undefeated killer that everyone thought would knockout Ali in Foreman. So he took a soft touch after. Big deal. No one cares now. No one remembers Ali for taking a couple soft touches between big fights, which he did from time to time.

Berto is essentially Mayweather's Chuck Wepner. Floyd finally beat the guy that so many said would beat him, in the richest fight this sport has ever seen against Pacquiao and now he's taking a softy. I'm not paying $74.95 for it, but I'm not mad about it either.

You just don't see bald like that anymore.