Comments Thread For: Team Beterbiev's Response To Kovalev's Promoter

[Fetta]

I don't follow anyone but my own instincts, I'm not a fan of any promoter, they're all pieces of **** in truth but even amongst this company Haymon stands out as a particular devious ****.

And it's quite bizarre why anyone would defend some random guy who doesn't give a **** about them or the sport he's trashing in the first place, but it's interesting to have some weirdos like that.

I dont see the trashing at all but i do agree all promoters are crap and im hoping they all go away. Or maybe do what they are suposed to do and just promote fights.

But it is funner with weirdos on here

[Y0@NN]

Really?

Didnt know that but ok.

Trust me, i have the sight.

[kafkod]

Dumbest post in history of nsb and stop slurping these ex soviet fighters how can wilder be ducking wlad when wlad doing mando povetkin already has a fight schedule for nov and wilder and povetkin doesn't start until oct 24th for fight to be made for beginning of next year Hopkins pulled out the Stevenson fight to fight kova that's not a duck beterbiev wants to take ibf eliminator first get in a better position he didn't know ibf was going order that when he was taking up offer for kova fight in November

BHop didn't pull out of fighting Stevenson. He had a deadline to fight his mando, which Haymon and Stevenson knew all about. He told Haymon he had to make the fight before the deadline ran out or the IBF would strip him of his title. He waited till midnight of the day before the deadline expired, and when Haymon hadn't returned his calls, he rang Duva and made the fight with Kovalev instead.

[The Big Dunn]

It's not money when I can point out many examples of Haymon fighters turning down big money just so he wouldn't let his fighter fight on rival cards and rival networks. So no it's not money. The consistent theme is the power play involved. Either blow a fight out of the water to have full control or if someone else offers more money he restricts his fighters from taking it because again number 1 goal is him having full control.

And Haymon trying to overpay for mismatches and losing multi-millions doesn't mean HBO has to follow that dumb trend and try to outbid PBC. No business person would ever say lets follow a business plan that is failing and losing money. And PBC is only paying top dollar for low end fights. The biggest purses are NOT happening on PBC. They are happening on HBO, Showtime, overseas, PPV ect. So while the PBC top fighters are making good money fighting bums they are not making the big time money like the Stars on HBO (Cotto, Canelo, GGG, Klitscho ect) or the big money for the big fights they are constantly turning down. For example Khan has turned down a long list of big fights in house and especially with rival promoters to make decent money fighting bums with no chance of beating him. If it were about the money he would be fighting Brooks not Algeri for a fraction of that amount.

If I were Haymon I wouldn't of got myself kicked off HBO by doing shady stuff in the first place. That's not blackballing. He did it to himself and even now when multiple promoters have said HBO is will to allow his fighters on their network just to make these big fights happen Haymon is using tactics to avoid that from happening.

Just because quillin turned down the $1.4 from roc nation doesn't mean this isn't about money. The quillin situation wasn't about money but control, we agree.

Yes, power is also at stake. Power determines profit margin in boxing. ARum always wants to control every aspect of a promotion because he can make sure he gets the profit he expects.

OK, fine. HBO and Haymon have a different way of compensating boxers, both ways are designed to maximize profit. Neither is wrong. If you are ok with HBo blackballing Haymon because they don't like his way, you can't whine when Haymon does it his way on his own shows.

Kov just did this with Mohammedi, canelo turned down cotto to fight Kirkland. As BertoRollin keeps pointing out to you, you are being very one sided with your criticism.

Why do you call it "shady"? that is biased as hell. He got his clients the highest possible payday. That, IS HIS JOB!!

You are criticizing him for doing his job very well and that is ******ed and biased. if he didn't do his job effectively, I can see you complaining or criticizing him.

HBO just allowed GBP back and that was only because they needed to compete with PBC. If HBO allows Haymon back as they did GBP, the issue is solved.

[RyanjLarose]

This guy looks me ...but to make you geek better here's 2 facts Floyd fight Castillo with a real torn rotator cuff ...you can actually see him getting rubbed down and complaining unlike that other fraud ...Castillo could've been easily been called a draw ...or went either way...there's 1 or 2 off balls in the pros who think PAC won ...98 percent of their peers , media outlets , and non *******s know it was one of Floyd's easiest fights at 38...at 36 (pacs age) he was fighting bigger maidana and canelo

what the hell does this have to do with anything/!?!!?

[bigdunny1]

I could care less if you want to call it shady or savy or any other words you want to use to describe and soften the appearence. I care because I'm a fan of boxing and want to see good fights and this savy move from Haymon results in fans losing out. I don't care what fighters make in mismatch fights. The big money is there and these fights not being made is not becaise of lack of money its about Haymon trying to manipulate the situation. You want to celebrate that go ahead but I wont. And most fans don't either we just care about the fights that he road blocks unfortunately

[-PBP-]

I could care less if you want to call it shady or savy or any other words you want to use to describe and soften the appearence. I care because I'm a fan of boxing and want to see good fights and this savy move from Haymon results in fans losing out. I don't care what fighters make in mismatch fights. The big money is there and these fights not being made is not becaise of lack of money its about Haymon trying to manipulate the situation. You want to celebrate that go ahead but I wont. And most fans don't either we just care about the fights that he road blocks unfortunately

No you don't. You want to see good fights on HBO. Like I've been saying, you see everything one-sided and believe that everybody should bow down to HBO and succumb to all of their demands. You're a network fan, not a boxing fan.

The only way for boxing fans to win is to eliminate all promotional contracts and exclusive network contracts and have promotional and broadcasting rights be decided by a competitive bidding process where one entity has complete control over everything.

Network contracts and promotional/managerial contracts are what's killing boxing. Whether your exclusive to HBO, Top Rank, GBP, Haymon or whoever. Some people see it from all angles. You are team everybody except Haymon.

[Fetta]

I could care less if you want to call it shady or savy or any other words you want to use to describe and soften the appearence. I care because I'm a fan of boxing and want to see good fights and this savy move from Haymon results in fans losing out. I don't care what fighters make in mismatch fights. The big money is there and these fights not being made is not becaise of lack of money its about Haymon trying to manipulate the situation. You want to celebrate that go ahead but I wont. And most fans don't either we just care about the fights that he road blocks unfortunately

You know thats a straight lie. All you do is complain about money that isnt yours

[The Big Dunn]

I could care less if you want to call it shady or savy or any other words you want to use to describe and soften the appearence. I care because I'm a fan of boxing and want to see good fights and this savy move from Haymon results in fans losing out. I don't care what fighters make in mismatch fights. The big money is there and these fights not being made is not becaise of lack of money its about Haymon trying to manipulate the situation. You want to celebrate that go ahead but I wont. And most fans don't either we just care about the fights that he road blocks unfortunately

No, HBO blackballing Haymon affiliated fighters is what is depriving you of the fights you want to see. There is only 1 way Haymon doesn't get to control every aspect-if HBO lets his fighters on the network.

You cited GBP fighters on HBO as proof HBO is giving you what you want. They didn't get back on HBO until HBO changed their stance on GBP fighters.

Now you want things resolved differently for Haymon then it was for ODH/GBP. Man, that is crazy biased.

[Fetta]

No you don't. You want to see good fights on HBO. Like I've been saying, you see everything one-sided and believe that everybody should bow down to HBO and succumb to all of their demands. You're a network fan, not a boxing fan.

The only way for boxing fans to win is to eliminate all promotional contracts and exclusive network contracts and have promotional and broadcasting rights be decided by a competitive bidding process where one entity has complete control over everything.

Network contracts and promotional/managerial contracts are what's killing boxing. Whether your exclusive to HBO, Top Rank, GBP, Haymon or whoever. Some people see it from all angles. You are team everybody except Haymon.

Great post!!