What are things PBC could do better other than Matchmaking ?

[The Big Dunn]

I respect what you think and maybe spending that money on smaller networks would get a few new fans.
Bur I just know if he scaled it down network wise and was more consistent with a better product he will get way more new fans from an established network over a new start up one. Stop spreading that money around and put it into bigger better shows on established networks. I'm always a firm believer of quality over quantity. I'm not saying go don't go to the smaller newer channels but why waste the money when it can get used improving the shows on an established network. It's a marathon, build momentum, establish a great product, show consistency, start making good profits then expand to other networks with that profit.

I get this point I just think Hyymon has to take the show to the places that have slots available. In the fall and winter-NBC and CBS are out and ESPN will be limited to Fridays on ESPN2.

[The Big Dunn]

They are established and it's a channel they've been on forever. If Haymon put on less PBC cards on less channels and put the money into better fights, he would be seeing 3.5 ratings like Thurman did his first night consistantly. Instead Haymon chose **** matches on a million channels. The more I think about it, the more the person who says all was doing it to collect fee's from the fighters, the more sense it makes.

That's the point I am making-it takes time to establish yourself on a network. instead of limiting this to just 3 or 4, Haymon is trying with a ton of networks. yes, it is frustrating to find.

No matter what Haymon does or did, NOTHING would establish this overnight or accelerate the trust that is takes consumers to develop over time.

Even HBO, with 35 years in, doesn't have a consistent ratings number. It fluctuates depending on who fights.

[Deevel916]

Another problem is that he signed way too many fighters and I think he has no choice but to whore himself to all these channels in order to get them all dates.

[Deevel916]

That's the point I am making-it takes time to establish yourself on a network. instead of limiting this to just 3 or 4, Haymon is trying with a ton of networks. yes, it is frustrating to find.

No matter what Haymon does or did, NOTHING would establish this overnight or accelerate the trust that is takes consumers to develop over time.

Consistent fights on NBC or CBS on set dates and times from day 1 would have had tons of traction by now. People would know off the bat what channel/s and dates you can catch PBC fights on by now. Instead its all over the place.

[Beater_of_ass]

That's the point I am making-it takes time to establish yourself on a network. instead of limiting this to just 3 or 4, Haymon is trying with a ton of networks. yes, it is frustrating to find.

No matter what Haymon does or did, NOTHING would establish this overnight or accelerate the trust that is takes consumers to develop over time.

Even HBO, with 35 years in, doesn't have a consistent ratings number. It fluctuates depending on who fights.

Exactly. Which is why when you are a new brand you should prove yourself with top notch matcmaking to make your stick out. Not dilute the product across 15 channels and hope one sticks, which none will in that case and it's showing. They peaked on their debut and haven't gotten close to reaching that except for one fight. If I was to describe PBC, growing would not be one of the adjectives I use. Floundering is what they are doing at best.

[The Big Dunn]

Exactly. Which is why when you are a new brand you should prove yourself with top notch matcmaking to make your stick out. Not dilute the product across 15 channels and hope one sticks, which none will in that case and it's showing. They peaked on their debut and haven't gotten close to reaching that except for one fight. If I was to describe PBC, growing would not be one of the adjectives I use. Floundering is what they are doing at best.

You post as if matchmaking is an exact science. Since every boxing program doesn't have "top notch" matchmaking its not likely PBC would either.

As for the different channels-keep in mind these are time buys, not new network programs. As such, I expect the model to be slightly tweaked.

Yes, there might have been a more traditional pathway to success, but that traditional pathway doesn't appear to have been available accept on FNF on ESSPN2, which the parent company way with because of the poor ratings.

[boxinghead530]

I get this point I just think Hyymon has to take the show to the places that have slots available. In the fall and winter-NBC and CBS are out and ESPN will be limited to Fridays on ESPN2.

If Haymon is having trouble finding the time slots on nbc or CBS, well then the time slots he does get with those channels he needs to put on the very best cards and show those networks that he can get great ratings so they would be willing to open up more slots for him. Networks are in the business of making money, plain and simple. And to make that money they have to have shows that bring in the viewers. So if Haymon wants to be on those networks on a regular basis he has to have good ratings all the time. Get consistent with it. If he is just throwing his money around to just any networks with available space then that hurts his shows on the bigger networks. Instead of spending that money on a smaller network with mediocre quality matchups, sink it into having ppv quality shows on the bigger established networks to get great ratings. It's about pulling profit and creating a long lasting product. Start a tradition.

[The Big Dunn]

Consistent fights on NBC or CBS on set dates and times from day 1 would have had tons of traction by now. People would know off the bat what channel/s and dates you can catch PBC fights on by now. Instead its all over the place.

That wasn't available though, a point you keep forgetting. These are time buys, this wasn't a network program that CBS or NBC started.

So while I understand your and others points about what would work , like I told Beater of ASS, that traditional path was not available to PBC so they are doing something different.

[The Big Dunn]

If Haymon is having trouble finding the time slots on nbc or CBS, well then the time slots he does get with those channels he needs to put on the very best cards and show those networks that he can get great ratings so they would be willing to open up more slots for him. Networks are in the business of making money, plain and simple. And to make that money they have to have shows that bring in the viewers. So if Haymon wants to be on those networks on a regular basis he has to have good ratings all the time. Get consistent with it. If he is just throwing his money around to just any networks with available space then that hurts his shows on the bigger networks. Instead of spending that money on a smaller network with mediocre quality matchups, sink it into having ppv quality shows on the bigger established networks to get great ratings. It's about pulling profit and creating a long lasting product. Start a tradition.

Is that possible with time buys? If this was network programs I think we'd have that.

I get it-in order to get advertising dollars you need to show a great product and build stars. I think that is what is happening. There has always been tiers of shows-HBO has BAD and WCB-haymon seems to have the same.

Hopefully the 2nd half of 2015 gives us this. Mares/LSC is a good step.

[Beater_of_ass]

You post as if matchmaking is an exact science. Since every boxing program doesn't have "top notch" matchmaking its not likely PBC would either.

As for the different channels-keep in mind these are time buys, not new network programs. As such, I expect the model to be slightly tweaked.

Yes, there might have been a more traditional pathway to success, but that traditional pathway doesn't appear to have been available accept on FNF on ESSPN2, which the parent company way with because of the poor ratings.

Matchmaking is very simple, especially when you have established talent. Thurman/Guerrero and Porter/Broner were okay matchups, that's the best we've gotten...

Seriously, Thurman/Khan would do huge numbers for PBC on ESPN or NBC. Why hasn't that been made? Brook/Khan? Porter/Thurman. Throw Kell Brook into the mix and that's just guys off the top of my head. Haymon has a lot more guys to pick and choose from. It's not hard to match the best against the best which is what TV cards should be.

I don't know if I could build a fighter like Top Rank can, I probably can't. I know I can't. But I don't have to be a boxing promoter or genius to know that good match ups draw ratings.