Is Haymon actually making 'PBC' titles?

[Hougigo]

That was the rumor a few months back.... nothing significant since

[Eff Pandas]

It won't happen, IMO. I am certain it has been discussed but the fall-out from such a terrible idea would be huge and not worth the hassle. Haymon has barely goodwill as it is going, creating a ******ed new belt is just going to antagonise people.

If Haymon can get a critical mass of talent in the PBC he'll control too much boxer real estate for the "big 4" alphabet soup titles to matter.

Lets say Haymon gots 18 of the top 20 guys at 147 in a couple years (I think he already has 10 of the top 20 now so its not far fetched). Is anyone gonna care that the #6 & #18, #21 & #22 ranked guys in the division are the alphabet champions when they've won those titles vs low hanging fruit & the PBC champion will have won the PBC title among a murderers row of top 147lbers & will be defending vs a murderers row.

People keep trying to equate todays reality to the end game reality for what PBC is attempting to do.

[Eff Pandas]

Only way a PBC belt would make any real sense, especially with the extensive history that the sport has had since at least the 50's, but a history that extends to the late 1800's, would be if the PBC belt was awarded to unified/undisputed champions.

In my eyes that extensive history has been destroyed by the alphabet groups. It no longer exists except in the past. A PBC title that represented a one world champion environment would be taking that extensive history back. I don't care wtf you call The Champion, but boxing needs an environment that allows for The Champion to reign by default not via some 6(?) world title belt fighter tournament that would take a couple years to finish with all the teeth pulling you'd have to do to get everyone on board.

PBC continues to present their belt on TV, while also using the machinations of the governing bodies to consider the various fights that they're willing to put on.

I'm hoping you're wrong. I think you wanna put the alphabet groups outta business. Certainly you wanna put 3 of them outta business whatever happens. If you want one to run a real one "world championship" PBC title fair enough.

Again this is some long game **** though. I don't think you wanna throw titles into the mix til years down the line. 4yrs away minimum.

[techliam]

If Haymon can get a critical mass of talent in the PBC he'll control too much boxer real estate for the "big 4" alphabet soup titles to matter.

Lets say Haymon gots 18 of the top 20 guys at 147 in a couple years (I think he already has 10 of the top 20 now so its not far fetched). Is anyone gonna care that the #6 & #18, #21 & #22 ranked guys in the division are the alphabet champions when they've won those titles vs low hanging fruit & the PBC champion will have won the PBC title among a murderers row of top 147lbers & will be defending vs a murderers row.

People keep trying to equate todays reality to the end game reality for what PBC is attempting to do.

PBC can have 19/20 of the top 20 boxers in a division, the only one that matters is the no.1 guy. Floyd isn't the PBC champion, he's really the one that matters at Welterweight. When he retires, you have fighters like Brook, Bradley (maybe Marquez and Pacquiao) who won't even think about the PBC title, it makes no sense

On top of that, for the PBC title to matter, surely it has to matter in ALL divisions in boxing. Haymon may be a player in the US, but boxing is a global sport. Which divisions does Haymon really have total control of, or look to have in the immediate future?

As corrupt as they can be, sanctioning bodies do work closely with national commissions, promoters, hall of fames, and anti-doping bodies, and are very deeply integrated part of the sport. With boxing becoming a progressively more globalised sport, I can't see how PBC can even begin to penetrate markets like the UK and Japan. PBC makes sense if the US was the only country to matter

[techliam]

In my eyes that extensive history has been destroyed by the alphabet groups. It no longer exists except in the past. A PBC title that represented a one world champion environment would be taking that extensive history back. I don't care wtf you call The Champion, but boxing needs an environment that allows for The Champion to reign by default not via some 6(?) world title belt fighter tournament that would take a couple years to finish with all the teeth pulling you'd have to do to get everyone on board.
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A PBC title repesents one belt within a multiple world champion environment. PBC would literally need to take over an entire world sport to achieve what you are describing, which is literally impossible

[Humean]

At the moment it is illegal for a boxing promoter to do it.

[Eff Pandas]

PBC can have 19/20 of the top 20 boxers in a division, the only one that matters is the no.1 guy. Floyd isn't the PBC champion, he's really the one that matters at Welterweight. When he retires, you have fighters like Brook, Bradley (maybe Marquez and Pacquiao) who won't even think about the PBC title, it makes no sense

Mayweather, Pacquiao & Marquez will be (hopefully) long retired. And the problem is most divisions don't have a #1 guy really. The top champions rarely fight the other champions so its basically a #1 guy by pageantry, politics or power.

On top of that, for the PBC title to matter, surely it has to matter in ALL divisions in boxing. Haymon may be a player in the US, but boxing is a global sport. Which divisions does Haymon really have total control of, or look to have in the immediate future?

Well yea I was just going with the easiest example cuz Haymon controls 147 now pretty much. TR gots a couple guys, but having 10 outta the top 20 guys in a division is a pretty strong position to have.

I suspect that Haymon will acquire more big name fighters over the course of the next couple years. PBC already has a ton of TV time so if you are a young non-HBO caliber fighter being with Haymon should give you the best chance of getting on TV & becoming that higher level of fighter like HBO builds now. Haymon also seems to be paying the most for fights so he'll acquire some bigger names like that too I'm sure. If PBC doesn't reach a critical mass of talent then they won't ever be the NBA of boxing, they'll just be a bigger, more spread out version of HBO Boxing.

As corrupt as they can be, sanctioning bodies do work closely with national commissions, promoters, hall of fames, and anti-doping bodies, and are very deeply integrated part of the sport. With boxing becoming a progressively more globalised sport, I can't see how PBC can even begin to penetrate markets like the UK and Japan. PBC makes sense if the US was the only country to matter

Haymon already has a relationship with promoters in the UK (Hearn) & Mexico (iirc, although I don't recall his name) so its probably a goal to branch out further as time goes on. Like other major sports leagues there are athletes from around the world in them. This would obviously need to follow that same ideology to be successful & I don't see why Haymon wouldn't or couldn't deal with people in Japan or wherever.

[Eff Pandas]

A PBC title repesents one belt within a multiple world champion environment.

Yea obviously right now it would.

PBC would literally need to take over an entire world sport to achieve what you are describing, which is literally impossible

To create a NBA of boxing thats what he'd need to do. I don't think its impossible.

Like I said PBC's got 10 of the top 20 147lbers right now. How many guys in each weight division do you need before a PBC title meant more than the alphabet titles? I mean to keep it simple I assume if you had the full top ten in any particular division the PBC title means more than the alphabet titles cuz the best alphabet champ would be the #11 guy in the division. What if you got 7 of the top 10 in every division? Is that enough?

**** idk, but I know there is a critical mass of talent that PBC could acquire that could choke out the power the alphabet groups hold just by having most of the top guys in boxing, that the alphabet world champions would be so watered down fans would pay attention to them like they do the IBO now.

Its some long game **** though. This stuff isn't happening next year. I'd speculate this stuff isn't happening til 2019 at the absolute earliest & PBC gots a lot of work to do in that time & the alphabet groups could finally see that 6 "world" champions in a division are hurting the sport & actually combine & PBC doesn't even have to get involved in this whole thing so who knows. But if they are trying to be what they've claimed, they will need to create a one world championship environment for boxing or they failed at creating an elite league in boxing.