Is Haymon actually making 'PBC' titles?

[Eff Pandas]

Is he making them as we speak? No I can't believe he is. I remember that Canadian article being posted months ago & we haven't seen anything yet.

The end game for what PBC is trying to do involves a PBC title though. So I suspect there will be a PBC title at a future date. As I've said 100x at this point, this is a long game plan thats started in March. You don't go into full on armageddon mode & launch all your nukes to start a battle. You take down some strategic battles to win the war over time, measure out your attacks, risk as little as possible.

PBC's first battle is with powerhouse promoters. This lawsuit with PBC/Haymon vs Oscar & Arum will decide that to a large degree first off. Then fighters deciding to leave those powerhouse promoters over the next 2-3 years to come to PBC will be the next W in line.

The first thing Haymon needs to do is take away business from the powerhouse promoters & then he can take away power from the alphabet groups. It'd be ****** to piss all those power brokers in the sport off all at once.

I'd imagine thats why Haymon was trying to purchase GBP at the start to basically turn them into PBC so this whole concept coulda been trojan horsed into boxing more than it ultimately has been. If GBP had started picking up all this TV time the media's slant on it & fans take on it wouldn't have been half as negatively spun by the media & fans as it has been by this headless PBC group thats completely new & unknown doing it.

[Dean_Razorback]

It's not like Haymon doesn't already have major pull with the WBA and WBC, but man, I ****ing hope so. I hope there's a PBC regular belt, a super belt, a super duper one, a loyalty belt just for Peter Quillin. I hope PBC makes their own HOF too, one that's fair and just so guys like Peter and Santa Cruz can get a fair shake.

the loyalty champion of the world

[Chrismart]

It would be hilarious. They would be like WWF belts.
They would find their way to Ebay within a few years.

[Raonic]

May as well make a WTF title too.

[Raonic]

So it now goes

IBF title
WBO title
WBC title
WBA title
(various regional titles)






PBC title

[Scipio2009]

I've heard a lot of talk about potential PBC titles, just to add another worthless title onto the ****heap

But i've not heard or seen anything concrete about them.

I don't really want to accuse Haymon of cluttering up the sport with further garbage titles, under the pretence of a 'revolution on free tv', if he's not actually planning on making them.

Does anyone know anything about Haymon's plans? If not, where has the idea of 'PBC' titles come from?

Su****ions arose when Haymon totally disregarded Thurman's title (which isn't even a major world title), yet they are milking the hell out Wilder's paper belt, calling him the HW World Champion

Every time this topic is brought up, most people point to a single French-to-English article that made mention of Haymon having a contract for making PBC belts (which this board, in particular, ran wild with).

Haymon is looking to use the belts (which he's been showing on PBC, though not acknowledging the organizations, since the Thurman backlash) for they are supposed to be used for, to highlight the actual fighters and build up fights.

McDonnell-Kameda was a major bantamweight fight, regardless of the WBO not viewing McDonnell of being a "worthy titlist"; Daniel Jacobs and Keith Thurman being called champions builds up teir own stories, even if their actual belts are only wba; Deontay Wilder is "heavyweight champion of the world", especially at a time where the American sports audience hasn't really had interest in even hearing about a Klitschko since Vitali was fighting Lennox Lewis.

Going about and creating your own belts out of thin air helps Haymon none at this point, while also making his idea look second rate (how are you going to justify creating belts out of thin air, when your programming already harps about how good a champion Ray Leonard was 30 years before your idea was even an idea?); with the way the PBC is currently set up, the product simply refuses to be held at the whims of governing organizations that have occasionally found themselves in shiesty looking situations (ie WBO putting their welterweight title into the hype for the HBO/TR-backed Pacquiao's fight with Mayweather, never intending to actually hand their title to Mayweather were he to win, and then, magically, sanctioning a title fight on HBO within a month of Mayweather "being declared champion", using some silliness about a sanctioning fee and refusing to have "their champion" rule in more than one division).

[Porter's Dad]

It won't happen, IMO. I am certain it has been discussed but the fall-out from such a terrible idea would be huge and not worth the hassle. Haymon has barely goodwill as it is going, creating a ******ed new belt is just going to antagonise people.

[Barcham]

It would be hilarious. They would be like WWF belts.
They would find their way to Ebay within a few years.

They will have the 'Television Title' and the 'Intercontinental Title' and then a 'Premier World Champion' title belt for each weight division. Whenever Haymon signs a current title holder, he will show up on a PBC broadcast and throw his belt in the trash.

[Barcham]

It won't happen, IMO. I am certain it has been discussed but the fall-out from such a terrible idea would be huge and not worth the hassle. Haymon has barely goodwill as it is going, creating a ******ed new belt is just going to antagonise people.

It will happen eventually. What other reason would Haymon have for basically ignoring the existing titles that fighters in his stable bring to the ring with them? They are never celebrated, never presented in the ring, never displayed with pride. It is like they do not exist. That is because he intends to replace them with his own. The lawsuits have simply thrown a wrench into things for the time being and he has had to delay his plans.

[Scipio2009]

Is he making them as we speak? No I can't believe he is. I remember that Canadian article being posted months ago & we haven't seen anything yet.

The end game for what PBC is trying to do involves a PBC title though. So I suspect there will be a PBC title at a future date. As I've said 100x at this point, this is a long game plan thats started in March. You don't go into full on armageddon mode & launch all your nukes to start a battle. You take down some strategic battles to win the war over time, measure out your attacks, risk as little as possible.

PBC's first battle is with powerhouse promoters. This lawsuit with PBC/Haymon vs Oscar & Arum will decide that to a large degree first off. Then fighters deciding to leave those powerhouse promoters over the next 2-3 years to come to PBC will be the next W in line.

The first thing Haymon needs to do is take away business from the powerhouse promoters & then he can take away power from the alphabet groups. It'd be ****** to piss all those power brokers in the sport off all at once.

I'd imagine thats why Haymon was trying to purchase GBP at the start to basically turn them into PBC so this whole concept coulda been trojan horsed into boxing more than it ultimately has been. If GBP had started picking up all this TV time the media's slant on it & fans take on it wouldn't have been half as negatively spun by the media & fans as it has been by this headless PBC group thats completely new & unknown doing it.

Only way a PBC belt would make any real sense, especially with the extensive history that the sport has had since at least the 50's, but a history that extends to the late 1800's, would be if the PBC belt was awarded to unified/undisputed champions.

-Stevenson vs Kovalev winner being deemed PBC 175 champion
-Klitschko vs Wilder winner being deemed PBC heavyweight champion
-Floyd unifies all of the belts, retires, and then Thurman/Brook/Khan/Garcia/Porter/Spence/etc winner becomes PBC 147 champion
-Russell/Cuellar/Selby/Mares/Santa Cruz/etc winner becomes PBC 126 champ

PBC continues to present their belt on TV, while also using the machinations of the governing bodies to consider the various fights that they're willing to put on.