GGG has NO right to negotiate terms . . .

[bigjavi973]

By ducking, you mean he provided an offer. Ward said nothing, and then a few days after GGG signs up for a fight Ward begins running his mouth?

The scary thing is you are actually this deluded. Your hatred has blinded you to reality.



If titles were on the line. Why do catchweights exists?

For non-title fights between fighters in different natural weight classes.

I swear you dipwads must have just started following boxing.

Froch & Chavez Jr weren't title fights right? He'll still fight them at 168 right?

[SilverMiles]

Of course he can make demands. The guy who's a 40-1 underdog can make demands. Thing is when you make demands you are lowering the odds the fight will get made when you are making those demands vs guys who are your peers or maybe even your superiors in the sport right now. And there is no debating GGG has some big upside potential, but that big upside potential doesn't come into play until he's fighting the Canelo's, Cotto's or Ward's. Therefore at his age & his potential to beat or worse case be competitive with the best out there, he might consider making less demands for the next fight with the gamble on winning or getting his name out there even more by fighting his most relevant competitors.

This is a similar situation to Rigo right now. Rigo is a lil older so he needs to bend even more to make fights & he even has a notable win, but he's kinda too good for his own good in many ways & he can either by "the guy" vs people few or no one cares about to end his career or he can give a lil to make big fights to make some $$$ & to enhance his legacy to hopefully parlay more big fights. GGG, although mostly his team, need to take this same type of attitude with making fights until he does have a notable win over a Canelo or Cotto & he can start making A side demands cuz people wanna fight him so bad for the payday.

GGG doesn't have to fight Ward they're not in the same division.

and stop lumping Ward in with Cotto and Canelo. There's zero comparison Ward would be lucky if he's even remembered 3 years from now. No one missed him when he sat out like an idiot.

[Eff Pandas]

GGG doesn't have to fight Ward they're not in the same division.

and stop lumping Ward in with Cotto and Canelo. There's zero comparison Ward would be lucky if he's even remembered 3 years from now. No one missed him when he sat out like an idiot.

GGG is talking about Ward. Ward is a potential high profile opponent. Divisional differences is just another demand that could be or could not be made. We're talking about high profile opponents & making demands therefore Ward is relevant as both sides have shown interest. I got no horse in this race & I'm more of a GGG fan than Ward fan, but reality is reality. The more demands you make the less chance a fight has of coming off & for GGG demands shouldn't be a dealbreaker cuz he needs big fights before he's too old to capitalize off them.

[Publius]

Froch & Chavez Jr weren't title fights right? He'll still fight them at 168 right?

Yes, and what is your point? Are you seriously claiming that every fight should be consistant? That the circumstances are always the same?

Think about what you are asking. You are asking GGG to move up 8 lbs, to fight Ward for peanuts, to interrupt what (considering his age) will be his last chance at PPV stardom, and to do it all because Ward suddenly decided it without Ward giving in on a single thing. Surely you believe Ward to be the better fighter, and yet you demand the fight be totally stacked in his favor with anything less being a "duck".

How absurd can you be? Golovkin isn't Jesus Christ. So why are you holding him to such standards?

He's a quality, entertaining fighter with the chance to be an HoF fighter. If things go well he and Ward will fight and hopefully it'll be entertaining.

[PulpFriction]

These threads are so tiresome. Golovkin is a MW, he offered to fight Chavez Jr and Froch at SMW because they are BIG FIGHTS. Ward was on a shelf for 19 months and casuals have no clue who he is. The fact is: no one cares about Ward, the friggin' guy is fighting on Black Entertainment Television for christ sake. He had a .09 rating last time he fought and it was against a bum who immediately retired. This argument is so tiresome because people have their own agenda and they're gonna hate Golovkin regardless of whatever he does.

[Jubei]

These threads are so tiresome. Golovkin is a MW, he offered to fight Chavez Jr and Froch at SMW because they are BIG FIGHTS. Ward was on a shelf for 19 months and casuals have no clue who he is. The fact is: no one cares about Ward, the friggin' guy is fighting on Black Entertainment Television for christ sake. He had a .09 rating last time he fought and it was against a bum who immediately retired. This argument is so tiresome because people have their own agenda and they're gonna hate Golovkin regardless of whatever he does.

Would really be nice if this racism here stops. GGG has a couple important fights lined up, Ward has no dancepartner and is basically worthless without GGG, yet he isn't man enough to move up 3 pounds to challenge Kovalev. But it's GGG's fault that no one cares about Ward. Funny.. same ****** argument.

If you keep telling the same stuff you can also ask:

Why can Ward go down to 160 for Floyd but cant make 164 to fight GGG?

It's too late now anyway, GGG has a PPV lined up and Ward will be forgotten again unless someone asks him about GGG. No one cares about Ward unless he is mentioned with GGG, the kid should shut up and fight someone decent, he only fought a couple good opponents because he was contratually forced during the Super 6, since then he fought no one.

[Bigg Rigg]

He wanted to fight Froch and Chavez Jr at 168.

Yet, he wants Ward at 164.

That's not called negotiating terms, that's called ducking.

When Cotto hits him wit that 156 pound cw after he spanks Nelo, I don't wanna hear a mother ****in thing!!

[boliodogs]

He wanted to fight Froch and Chavez Jr at 168.

Yet, he wants Ward at 164.

That's not called negotiating terms, that's called ducking.

Did it ever occur to you that he is willing to fight Chavez and Froch at 168 because they bring in much more money than Ward and they are not even half as good as Ward. Mayweather proudly said he only fights fighters at their best weight when he fought Cotto at 154. But when he negotiated the fight with Canelo it was a catchweight of 152 or no fight. Why can't GGG do the same as Mayweather. Ward can have the fight by going to 164 just as quickly as GGG can come up to 168 but he refuses so does that make Ward a ducker? You expect GGG to come up 8 pounds to face the best super middleweight in the world or he is a ducker. Ward refuses to go up 7 pounds to fight Kovalev but he isn't a ducker? Nice double standard you got there.

[Bigg Rigg]

Did it ever occur to you that he is willing to fight Chavez and Froch at 168 because they bring in much more money than Ward and they are not even half as good as Ward. Mayweather proudly said he only fights fighters at their best weight when he fought Cotto at 154. But when he negotiated the fight with Canelo it was a catchweight of 152 or no fight. Why can't GGG do the same as Mayweather. Ward can have the fight by going to 164 just as quickly as GGG can come up to 168 but he refuses so does that make Ward a ducker? You expect GGG to come up 8 pounds to face the best super middleweight in the world or he is a ducker. Ward refuses to go up 7 pounds to fight Kovalev but he isn't a ducker? Nice double standard you got there.

The problem is, Ward was going to go to LHW for anyone just yet. GGG was going to SMW for Froch or Jr but wants a CW for Ward. And yeah, he can try and demand a CW of 164 but then when he gets hit with a CW by Cotto or Canelo, his trainer and his fans are gonna be like oh, ni99as is scared to **** at the full 160..... Blah, blah, blah.

[saintpat]

From my point of view, I read where GGG was willing to fight from 154 to 168 ... he said he could make 154 for Floyd (which means he can make 154) and was willing to go up to 168 for Chavez or Froch(which means he can fight at 168).

I understand the risk/reward when it comes to others (Lara at 154, Ward at 168) he and/or his team don't seem to want to budge on the weight.

I realize it's risk/reward, but they set themselves up for criticism when they say that (a) he can fight at those weights, and (b) no one wants to fight him -- then they are the ones who balk when meaningful fights are offered on those extremes.

To me it's simple: I have no problem with him wanting to fight at 160 for as long as he wants and can make the weight, just don't tell me no one will fight him when people are saying they will and the reality is it's more of a risk/reward thing than a "everybody's scared of GGG" thing.