Why Does Gennady Golovkin Fear Greatness?

[just the facts]

GGG is already great. GGG fans know he is great and GGG haters will still hate him if he goes to 168 and knocks Ward out. He put a fair 50 50 offer on the table for Ward. He said he would split the money evenly with Ward and fight Ward at a weight limit of 164 which is exactly half way between 168 and 160. Does Ward fear greatness? GGG doesn't need to go to 168 to convince the vast majority of boxing fans he is a great fighter. All he needs to do is to continue knocking out the best middleweights who dare to fight him. If he beat Ward at 168 then you would ask why he doesn't go to 175 and fight Crusher. GGG is a middleweight and a smaller one at that. Let him stay at his proper weight and find a middleweight who can beat him if you can.

ggg with zero quality wins is great? Really?

[Lords]

He doesn't, all this is is timing.

He's in line to unify 160 and potentially get a big fight against Canelo all within a year (this is assuming Canelo beats Cotto). Which is something he's worked his entire career for. He's very close to obtaining his goal.

He can potentially win another belt against Lemieux in October and if all goes well fight Canelo for the lineal & WBC middleweight titles around May. How awesome would that be for Golovkin? Huge.

After that he can fight Ward for an even bigger fight than what it is today (even Ward has said the fight will be bigger with time).

People are impatient. Let Golovkin try to at least accomplish his goal here. If he gets rejected by Canelo/Cotto again, he'll probably fight Ward without the belts regardless. But understand the position he's in, being literally one fight away from a "super fight" (he is mandatory and apparently getting this in writing from the WBC).

This is false because GGG made the "50/50" offer to Ward. If he has no intentions in fighting Ward right now then don't throw out these false BS offers to people.

[just the facts]

The only reason I can think of is that they don't believe he can win. If you have the opportunity to make yourself the absolute best in the sport you take it.

this is he real answer. Team ggg doesn't believe he can beat Ward. If they did this fight would get made in a hot second.

[just the facts]

The Canelo fight would be huge regardless if he beats Ward or not. If Golovkin moves up to 168 and were to beat Ward he could potentially lose his mandatory position. If he were to lose to Ward that would also risk his chances of getting a Canelo fight or at the very least it wouldn't be as big of a fight.

do you really believe the vile scumbags at the WBC would take away gggs #1 ranking for fighting Ward? Cmon you're smarter than that

[Chuckguy]

But Canelo is bigger then Cotto right?? Chavez Jr and Froch are both bigger then Ward so that makes no sense

So drain th bigger guy is Floyd's mentality
Wow Larry just admitted Floyd's beeotch move thanks that's all I wanted to hear

[hhs661]

There's always shame in losing, even if its competitive or close, accept it or not. No one is celebrating a L. Losing sucks ass.

Although thats not really the damaging part of a L today. Boxing has such a small percentage of competitive fights in relation to all the fights taking place that a L is more damaging financially than in any other sport arguably. The preferred route for max financial impact on GGG's bank account right now is ideally thru Cotto or/than Canelo & then Ward. Taking on Ward & losing would likely effect how much he could make for Canelo &/or Cotto later on. It could even result in him losing out on those opportunities altogether. Fans are too fickle these days. Lose once & you suck, lose twice & its time to retire in a certain percentage of knucklehead fans opinion.

There's less shame in losing to a guy like Ward then defeating someone like Monroe.

You're right in terms of it affecting ggg financially if he takes a loss. However, he'd still be the favorite and if he could get both of them and win, his stock rises in the money department immediately. GGG needs to not worry about fans or haters. They don't fight for him.

We can't look at bigger paydays with cotto or canelo because there's no guarantee these guys are even looking to face him. There's no guarantee they'll fight him without diva demands that they're known for dishing out. So why be a sitting duck and look like a beggar for them? He's 33, almost 34. Yet he's waiting for two divas who cat fight over a venue to immediately fight him with no issues if they ever resolve theirs?

[SplitSecond]

That's ludicrous. If GGG beats Ward at 168 he would obviously be the p4p #1 fighter in the sport and would generate hype comparable to prime Pacquiao. I guarantee you he will be a PPV headliner from that point forward.

The problem is that Ward is too risky and a loss would take easier big money fights against smaller, more beatable fighters off the table.

Although I'd like to take your word for it but I doubt he'll suddenly become a PPV star due to beating Ward, there will be hype with the hardcores, and he might be considered p4p#1-2 but I still think he'll need Cotto/Canelo which I see happening at somethin like 157lbs.

Ward IS risky and Golovkin is taking all the risk. Ward should be wanting this fight, but he's also not willing to give any ground to Golovkin to even the playing field. In a just world this fight happens at a catchweight(I propose 166). I don't know why you lot are so ok with Ward's refusal of the mere idea of a catchweight, why one guy needs to be the one to stick his neck out and take on all the disadvantages while the other is nice and comfy in his place while being the much lesser attraction.

Golovkin would definitely deserve a high p4p ranking for making such a ballsy move without the financial incentive, because if he loses he kills alot of his hype and likely looks less attractive to Cotto/Canelo.

[UNBIASED BOXING]

He currently has an offer on the table to fight Andre Ward at 168. A win for GGG over Andre Ward does the following for his career:

1. Puts him #1 on the pound for pound list upon the retirement of Floyd Mayweather

2. Makes him the biggest star in the sport of boxing

3. Makes him a title holder in 2 weight divisions with the opportunity to be lineal champ in 2 weight divisions simultaneously

4. Puts him into the hall of fame immediately (with his current streak of title defenses and his pound for pound status)

5. Would make him the most dominant fighter of the next era of boxing for years to come


Hall of fame fighters in the past capitalized on these opportunities:

Pac moving up 8 weight classes and jumping 2 to defeat De La Hoya
Hopkins jumping 2 to defeat Tarver
Floyd moving up 4 weight classes and moving up to defeat De La Hoya
Jones moving up from MW to HW and winning titles in 4 weight divisions
Duran moving up 2 to defeat Leonard and winning titles at 160 after starting his career at 119
Leonard winning the MW title after starting out at welterweight
Robinson, Armstrong and numerous others all moved up.

Now let's address these counter arguments from the stanboys:

Why don't Floyd be great and move up to fight GGG?

Answer: Floyd's legacy in boxing is established. Now it's GGGs turn.

Hagler never moved up

Answer: Because 168 wasn't really a recognized/established division yet. And if he had the opportunity to face one of the best pound for pound fighters in the world by moving up, I believe he would.

Moving up is easier for smaller fighters

See Hopkins and Jones above

Does Ward fear greatness by not moving up to fight Kovalev?

Yes. And he missed out on another opportunity for greatness by not moving up to defeat Dawson.


Discuss!!!

#2 is wrong

He won't be a bigger name than Canelo. Point and blank, especially after Canelo vs Cotto, and especially if Canelo wins. Let's just face it... Ward isn't a big name fighter. I'm skeptical that even if you put Andre Ward vs Golovkin on PPV it would even reach 400,000 buys.

#5 is wrong

Roman Gonzales.



Here's the schedule Golovkin should follow:

-Fight Lemiuex in October
>Cotto vs Canelo in November
-Stay-busy fight in January
>Hopefully, the winner of Lee/Saunders fights Golovkin (yielding WBO Middleweight belt)
-Golovkin vs Canelo in May (WBC/Lineal/The Ring)


*Andre Ward vs Golovkin Winter 2016

~6 Months gives Golovkin time to possibly gain around 3 pounds of muscle. The heavier Golovkin is, the less likely a catch weight is needed (unless Andre Ward starts weighing in heavier).

Hopefully by this point and time Andre Ward will have fought some decent names and started getting his popularity back, leading to a good PPV fight.

[Eff Pandas]

GGG needs to not worry about fans or haters.

Exactly thats why he needs to look at the $$$ implications with any decision he makes first & foremost for himself & his family & that puts the makeable fight options in order of preference #1 Canelo, #2 Cotto, #3 Ward & #4 a random 160lber.

We can't look at bigger paydays with cotto or canelo because there's no guarantee these guys are even looking to face him. There's no guarantee they'll fight him without diva demands that they're known for dishing out. So why be a sitting duck and look like a beggar for them? He's 33, almost 34. Yet he's waiting for two divas who cat fight over a venue to immediately fight him with no issues if they ever resolve theirs?

LOL, but yea you're right, who knows if Canelo & Cotto don't have a do over of last time they had talks. Thats a valid take along with his age which I bring up quite often too. It would seem like that would be something that he'd know about soon & then maybe Ward looks better. So the clear move to make here is not to sign on ANY dotted line til GGG knows what way the wind is blowing on Canelo vs Cotto & how he plays a part in the winners life.

[BlakBread904]

Unlike most I don't mind the hype. It's good for the sport. But fact of the matter is he should capitalize on this hype and beat Ward to become the #1 pound for pound fighter in boxing. If that happens, the hype will be insane and he will triple his value and be able to dictate terms to any future opponents.

....that's not how it works. Most people can't tell you who Andre Ward is. In order for GGG to capitalize off a win vs Ward in the manner you envision, Ward needs a bigger name. Being #1 P4P doesn't immediately equate to massive hype and increases in value. What's valuable is the ability to draw, because to draw means to generate revenue. and right now, Andre Ward has a very limited ability to draw.

Shame on me, but i still get surprised by adult men on here completely ignoring the fact that boxing is a deadly sport, guys don't do this just for pure love. it's a fkn job and they want to be compensated with an eye looking towards future earning potential. but no, fk the money...let's just go out on our shields because of the warrior spirit.

no.