Comments Thread For: Golovkin on Andre Ward: I Want Him, 50-50 on Weight

[aboutfkntime]

Fights are not made by posting crap in the media. They are made with face to face negotiations. No contract was ever sent and accepted through media channels. No fight was ever made by having your lawyer send an email to a fight analyst on HBO. It is difficult to agree on ANY POINT OF DISCUSSION when you are not in contact with the other side directly.

Are you 12 years old or just a typical example of the US public school system?

Grow the **** up.

Barcham, there is not a lot of info available regarding that aspect of the sport, and each entity will have its own processes/style..... but essentially, it works like this.....

1) Brief discussion (by phone, to determine if a negotiation is possible/feasible..... at this point, the major terms and usual sticking points are mooted, to determine and confirm if a negotiation is possible)

NOTE: The Golovkin/Ward discussion died at this point.

2) Meeting/negotiation (at this stage everything is discussed, and the major/sticking points are documented..... details will need to be confirmed, questions need to be answered, a date for the 2nd meeting will be set, and individual responsibilities will be recorded..... it is possible that draft contracts are conceived at this point.....

NOTE: That..... " just fire off the contract " thing, is rubbish, and silly.

3) Additional meetings/negotiations..... to confirm/sign-off the details discussed earlier..... at that point most dates/times/questions can be confirmed..... early contract drafts could even be presented to the fighters at this point, but most likely following further discussions/confirmations

Fcukit, I'm not gonna go any further..... there is no point, because if you use the example I just gave you can see that the Golovkin/Ward negotiations did not make it past the first phone call because of the weight stipulation...... just like Team Golovkin planned when they demanded a catchweight of 164.

When 172 was announced for the Smith fight, no knowledgable boxing insider thought it conceivable that Ward could drop another 8lbs and make 164..... including Loeffler and Golovkin.
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The 164 demand is a blatant duck, and was designed to prevent a genuine negotiation from taking place.

[aboutfkntime]

[Barcham]

Exactly !!! That's why Ward expressed that he wanted to negotiate the fight , with HBO and team ggg , at the negotiating table but ggg/team won't go to the table , but instead keep running interference with catch weight non sense through the media . Can Ward force ggg/team to sit with him ? Clearly not . Your arguments r so ******ed I literally have to decide whether or not I'm gonna respond to any more of your BS

Well Loeffler obviously had better things to do, like work on negotiations with ODLH and Lemieux for a unification fight. Something that fits in with Golovkin's primary career goal - the unification of all titles at 160. Much more important than trying to set a fight with the man who chases viewers and spectators away, the anti-draw, Andre Ward.

You've clearly reached ROCK BOTTOM with your defense of Go-lov-him . You mean to tell me that your soooo desperate to defend this guy that you've resorted to questioning the validity of any and all media sources that are furnishing articles about this situation that u can no longer defend ???????????????????????????????

Now all the Go-lov-him supporters have the same excuse once they can no longer defend Go-lov-him's duck sauce ; NO MEDIA SOURCE CAN BE TRUSTED !

I trust no source that does not have a name attached to it. They tend to be as credible as TBA and TBD having a chance to win a fight one day.

[aboutfkntime]

"A source with knowledge of the situation has advised boxingscene.com ... "

"From what boxingscene was told ..."

"The source told boxingscene ..."

No name, no blame when it turns out to be bullshit

The oldest trick in the book.

I don't understand why Loeffler would be arguing with Roc over a CW for GGG/Ward when he was already negotiating with Oscar over Lemieux.

Imo, Ward's team Knew that Lemieux was who Loeffler wanted for GGG next and that he was in with a chance of getting him, and this sudden interest in Andre fighting GGG this fall is nothing more than a pr stunt to get Ward some good publicity.

???????

He could potentially negotiate with half-a-dozen prospective opponents.

Loeffler, and Golovkin, knew that 164 is not possible, and would never be considered.

[aboutfkntime]

Looks like you are right on the mark, as usual. It would not surprise me either if Loeffler floated that 164 comment to prevent people from discovering how close to fruition the negotiations with Lemieux were getting. Now Ward is once again sitting on the bench picking away at his ass while GGG will be fighting a title unification fight, which is his primary goal. Kovalev will fight on Saturday night and Ward will probably work the fight at the commentary table where he belongs. It would be interesting to see if Ward has anything to say after the fight about his own possible fight with Kovalev but he never seems to talk about his own career with commentating. Guess it is in his contract not to ask him about fights he does not plan on going through with.

Oh my god, what a load of mindless dribble.

I know you dont believe that.

The Golovkids are shoooooook !

[aboutfkntime]

Well Loeffler obviously had better things to do, like work on negotiations with ODLH and Lemieux for a unification fight. Something that fits in with Golovkin's primary career goal - the unification of all titles at 160. Much more important than trying to set a fight with the man who chases viewers and spectators away, the anti-draw, Andre Ward.

I trust no source that does not have a name attached to it. They tend to be as credible as TBA and TBD having a chance to win a fight one day.

That is the first thing you have said that I agree with.

Loeffler had better things to do than negotiate a Ward/Golovkin fight

No argument there man.

[aboutfkntime]

[SugarRaRobinson]

Barcham, there is not a lot of info available regarding that aspect of the sport, and each entity will have its own processes/style..... but essentially, it works like this.....

1) Brief discussion (by phone, to determine if a negotiation is possible/feasible..... at this point, the major terms and usual sticking points are mooted, to determine and confirm if a negotiation is possible)

NOTE: The Golovkin/Ward discussion died at this point.

2) Meeting/negotiation (at this stage everything is discussed, and the major/sticking points are documented..... details will need to be confirmed, questions need to be answered, a date for the 2nd meeting will be set, and individual responsibilities will be recorded..... it is possible that draft contracts are conceived at this point.....

NOTE: That..... " just fire off the contract " thing, is rubbish, and silly.

3) Additional meetings/negotiations..... to confirm/sign-off the details discussed earlier..... at that point most dates/times/questions can be confirmed..... early contract drafts could even be presented to the fighters at this point, but most likely following further discussions/confirmations

Fcukit, I'm not gonna go any further..... there is no point, because if you use the example I just gave you can see that the Golovkin/Ward negotiations did not make it past the first phone call because of the weight stipulation...... just like Team Golovkin planned when they demanded a catchweight of 164.

When 172 was announced for the Smith fight, no knowledgable boxing insider thought it conceivable that Ward could drop another 8lbs and make 164..... including Loeffler and Golovkin.
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The 164 demand is a blatant duck, and was designed to prevent a genuine negotiation from taking place.

Don't waste your time siting sources or explaining procedure cause they don't really care about it . What do they really care about ? The censorship or straight out denial of black supremacy in any field of work . Same reason Teddy Roosevelt banned the distribution of Jack Johnson's beating of James Jeffries past any state lines . The sentiment remains the same , only now thinly disguised under other silly excuses ; He holds too much ; He's boring ; He's arrogant ; He's has no fans ; He brings no money to the table ; He's runs too much ; He needs to be humbled . When it comes to Ward and Mayweather these r the same excuses u will hear over and over again as the excuse to dislike them . Same thing with Haymon , but for all the good he's done , all u hear is how he's destroying boxing , violating the Ali act , bad matchmaking , and I've even heard someone say on here that they don't like him because he overcharges the networks for fights ?????? Now the concern is the networks ?

[-MEGA-]

You address notions as "sense" and semiotic processes as "making absolutely no sense", which I use to lecture my students about... But nevermind...

You skipped this one below:

Andre Ward: I had two retirement speeches ready to go

http://boxingjunkie.com/2015/05/06/a...s-ready-to-go/

In short: the guy displays an unpredictable and dubious behavior... After the Super Six, he wanted to fight Pavlik or Sartison... then he fought E-Rod and Paul Smith...

So because you think you gave me an english lesson your somehow right? GTFOH.

You should take a reality lesson and stop saying Ward retired. He didn't.

[Jubei]

???????

He could potentially negotiate with half-a-dozen prospective opponents.

Loeffler, and Golovkin, knew that 164 is not possible, and would never be considered.

I still wait for that link where Ward made an offer to GGG to make a fight at 168.

Its all in your imaginations otherwise.

Ward is just using GGGs name to get attention for his next boring trash fight.

He should stop talking about GGG unless he actually makes a serious offer and not just talk big on a random show.

Look at my signature, thats what really happened, Ward said not ready while GGG said ready and this is nothing but the truth, only just recently on Sportsnation Ward was rambling about the fight knowing thatt HBO is probably planning to have this fight in 2016 and NOT this year.