Middleweight Super Six Poll

[Santa_]

Golovkin and Lemieux would be the last men standing.

GGG beats Lemieux in the finale in a Fight Of The Year Type WAR.

[Kagami Taiga]

ummm based on?

http://boxrec.com/boxer/291903

His one notable win is via DQ after he got tagged and faked a seizure

He deserves some credit for a close fight with Froch

but:



Hell no, wtf

In many ppls minds he beat froch. He beat Abraham, even his fight with Degale was rather close. The guy is talented. And I have no doubt he beats everyone on that list but pgolovkin.

[ИATAS]

U can say that in hindsight sure. But when the super six was finalized, Ward was considered the least likely to win it. U guys are being extremely revisionist right now. And SMW was much deeper than even that. U had Bute, Bika, Johnson etc right under those guys. It was a extremely packed division in those years. Nothing like middleweight is now.

Quite a few people including myself picked Ward to win actually. The only person who was picked more was Kessler and that was purely on experience (not because people thought he was amazing or anything it's that the Olympic gold medalist in Ward hadn't done much yet as a pro). But if you go back and read a lot of the boxing writers predictions most all said nothing but great things about Ward and Manu picked him. He wasn't some huge underdog when he was matched against Kessler.

By the way, Johnson was not ranked at super middleweight he was at light heavyweight for practicality his whole career. He only went down to 168 after he lost to Tavoris Cloud (and losing to Dawson for the second time prior to that) and his career looked to be about over when an opening in the super six suddenly emerged. His first fight at 168 was against Allen Green as a substitute.

168 was never really that great. It definitely benefited greatly from the super six.

[boliodogs]

Get those four Canadians out of here.

[Kagami Taiga]

Quite a few people including myself picked Ward to win actually. The only person who was picked more was Kessler and that was purely on experience (not because people thought he was amazing or anything it's that the Olympic gold medalist in Ward hadn't done much yet as a pro). But if you go back and read a lot of the boxing writers predictions most all said nothing but great things about Ward and Manu picked him. He wasn't some huge underdog when he was matched against Kessler.

By the way, Johnson was not ranked at super middleweight he was at light heavyweight for practicality his whole career. He only went down to 168 after he lost to Tavoris Cloud (and losing to Dawson for the second time prior to that) and his career looked to be about over when an opening in the super six suddenly emerged. His first fight at 168 was against Allen Green as a substitute.

168 was never really that great. It definitely benefited greatly from the super six.

I never said ward wasn't favored to win by some. But Kessler was considered the front runner by far. And if anything, Ward was largely considered the dark horse. Those are the facts, I was here at the time just like u abd I can bump the old threads and polls. And even if u say SMW wasn't deep, which I disagree with, it was pretty deep at the time and most around here thought so as well, it was still a whole lot better than the current middleweight division. It was a buzz worthy division and not because of one fighter.

[-Kev-]

First of all Cotto has yet to actually make 160lbs on the scales. Then you list Canelo who has yet to even fight a MW period. Then the rest aren't even worth mentioning.

Kessler was favored to win the S6, then you had Froch who was hot off his wins of Pascal and Taylor. Abraham was seen as the ducked monster from MW that even Kelly Pavlik ducked. You of course had two successful former Olympians in Ward and Dirrell who won Gold and Bronze respectively. Then there was Taylor, one of the weakest one's.

I'm sorry but whoever compares current MW to the Super 6 is either a GGG cum slurper or just was not around to even know how hyped up fans were about the Super 6. No one would give a flying **** about a S6 at MW, with those weak opponents there.

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First of all Cotto has yet to actually make 160lbs on the scales. Then you list Canelo who has yet to even fight a MW period. Then the rest aren't even worth mentioning.

Kessler was favored to win the S6, then you had Froch who was hot off his wins of Pascal and Taylor. Abraham was seen as the ducked monster from MW that even Kelly Pavlik ducked. You of course had two successful former Olympians in Ward and Dirrell who won Gold and Bronze respectively. Then there was Taylor, one of the weakest one's.

I'm sorry but whoever compares current MW to the Super 6 is either a GGG cum slurper or just was not around to even know how hyped up fans were about the Super 6. No one would give a flying **** about a S6 at MW, with those weak opponents there.

Cotto fought at 159 and Canelo fights at 155

arbitrary "whatever I feel like" numbers that would, in any other generation, be middleweights

Canelo btw weighs more than Golovkin does on fight night

These guys can pretend they invent new weight divisions to suit them but we don't have to pretend we believe them

[boliodogs]

In my opinion GGG is the best, Canelo 2nd best, Lemieux 3rd best, Lee 4th best Cotto 5th best and Quillin last.

[Santa_]

In my opinion GGG is the best, Canelo 2nd best, Lemieux 3rd best, Lee 4th best Cotto 5th best and Quillin last.

I'd have to see Canelo fight a Middleweight before placing him 2nd best at Middleweight.

[-Kev-]

Cotto fought at 159 and Canelo fights at 155

arbitrary "whatever I feel like" numbers that would, in any other generation, be middleweights

Canelo btw weighs more than Golovkin does on fight night

These guys can pretend they invent new weight divisions to suit them but we don't have to pretend we believe them

Cotto has NEVER weighed 160lbs on the scale, it's what I said. 155lbs and 153lbs respectively in his two Fights against Middleweights. Yes the Martinez fight was a 159lb cw, Cotto made it to 155lbs.

Canelo I won't mention again in regards to MW until he actually fights a MW.