The casual fans got it right, while "Hardcore fans" act like their ***** dont stink.

[boxinghead530]

The casual fans know what it's really about, they flick the channel, if it isn't going to entertain, they flick to the next. They wont waste their time or money on something that's boring.

While these Phony"hardcore boxing fans" have their heads so far up their a55e5, they act like their ***** don't stink out arenas.


These "Hardcore Fans" that don't stick up for the sport are to blame. We have "fans" bending over letting promoters/fighters take them for their money for stale fights.
Practically handing over their money, siding with the fighter's excuse for failing to entertain, and not sticking up for the boxing fans.

They keep lying to themselves, saying they don't get bored.

It's like they want people to know they enjoy watching paint dry, acting like there's some incredible stuff going on behind the scenes that will give them credibility.

When in reality, they're just sitting there, watching paint dry,wasting time, missing out on what the causals are doing, having fun .

You'll never catch the casual fan doing some dumb ***** like that, they're not that ******.


Stop lying to yourself, all these fights fit within two extremes
(Boring--------------------watchable----------------------Entertaining)

Where only about 5% of Phony "Hardcore Fans" would say a boring fight entertained them for what ever reason the use to justify it.

Now because the fake fans are not looking for the viewers best interest in "pure entertainment", fights have tipped over to the Boring side because they let fighters get away with it.



These fighters are now using the excuse of not getting hit, even if it cost them the fight. Fights on the line, and they wait it out, if the opportunity doesn't come as a gift-box birthday present, they're ok with it, even if it means loosing the fight.

As a result there's no passion from these fighters. They just come and take the pay check, no entertainment, just a dry transaction, taking you for your money and time.

I agree great post. A lot of these so called die hard fans are just fanboys anyways of only certain fighter and hate on all the others fighters. For example you get Floyds fanboys claiming they love him because he's a boxer and that's what's boxing is all about(hit and not get hit). When in reality if Floyd was this great fighter but more of a puncher brawler they'd be claiming that's why they love him. I believe if you are a true fan of the sport you love and appreciate all styles. And stick up for the sport universally. People can have favorites as i do too. But that doesn't mean I'm giving my favorite fighters passes or make excuses for them. If anything the fighters i love to watch I'm more harder on them because I want them to be as great as possible. That's why i at times can be very critical of say a Floyd Mayweather because he's one of my favorites and I can see how good he is and I can see him doing so much more.

[Deevel916]

I didn't veer away from anything. I explained it in the last 2 paragraphs. I will do so again.

"Snobs" do not defend boring matches, they ask why, for example FLoyd/Manny, was the fight boring. In almost every case its because the guy who was losing didn't step up his efforts to try and win.

All we are saying is entertainment for us is a byproduct of the effort made to achieve victory. If both men are committed to winning, the fight will surely not be boring.

For you and others, "entertainment" is derived from something else. If one man stops trying to win, you and others are asking the boxer winning to try and "win more" to make up for that. You want one man to risk losing since the other man is not trying to win anymore.



I find that completely and utterly incomprehensible.

Yes they do and I have seen it done here time and time again.

[Puya]

The casual fans know what it's really about, they flick the channel, if it isn't going to entertain, they flick to the next. They wont waste their time or money on something that's boring.

While these Phony"hardcore boxing fans" have their heads so far up their a55e5, they act like their ***** don't stink out arenas.


These "Hardcore Fans" that don't stick up for the sport are to blame. We have "fans" bending over letting promoters/fighters take them for their money for stale fights.
Practically handing over their money, siding with the fighter's excuse for failing to entertain, and not sticking up for the boxing fans.

They keep lying to themselves, saying they don't get bored.

It's like they want people to know they enjoy watching paint dry, acting like there's some incredible stuff going on behind the scenes that will give them credibility.

When in reality, they're just sitting there, watching paint dry,wasting time, missing out on what the causals are doing, having fun .

You'll never catch the casual fan doing some dumb ***** like that, they're not that ******.


Stop lying to yourself, all these fights fit within two extremes
(Boring--------------------watchable----------------------Entertaining)

Where only about 5% of Phony "Hardcore Fans" would say a boring fight entertained them for what ever reason the use to justify it.

Now because the fake fans are not looking for the viewers best interest in "pure entertainment", fights have tipped over to the Boring side because they let fighters get away with it.



These fighters are now using the excuse of not getting hit, even if it cost them the fight. Fights on the line, and they wait it out, if the opportunity doesn't come as a gift-box birthday present, they're ok with it, even if it means loosing the fight.

As a result there's no passion from these fighters. They just come and take the pay check, no entertainment, just a dry transaction, taking you for your money and time.

Is not my fault you don't enjoy Rigondeaux fights. I actually like watching him is a thing of beauty and talent display.

As far as paying for fights there a lot of fights I don't buy because I'm not supporting them.

[The Big Dunn]

Yes they do and I have seen it done here time and time again.

Responding to a poster that places blame in the wrong place for a boring fight is not defending boring matches.

It's simply asking you guys to stop asking the fighter that is winning to fight in a way that risks losing when you will not ask the guy losing to go balls out to win.

[Deevel916]

Is not my fault you don't enjoy Rigondeaux fights. I actually like watching him is a thing of beauty and talent display.

As far as paying for fights there a lot of fights I don't buy because I'm not supporting them.

I enjoy watching Rigo as well as I recognize the great talent that he is. His criticism comes from being too conservative when he has his opponent completely outclassed and has the ability to step on the gas and close the show yet chooses not to.

SRL said it during a recent fight (cant remember which one). As a fighter you must close the show if you're way ahead and have your opponent outclassed.

Nobody wants to see a fighter play it safe in the championship rounds when he has 9-10 rounds in the bag and has his opponent totally outclassed. Give the fans a little something to reward them for spending their hard earned cash to come see you fight and be entertained.

[VERSION1 (V1)]

I love that OP thinks there are tonnes of guys out there watching boxing, 'just cause'.

We watch it because its the best thing on at the time. Even boring boxing matches are more entertaining than watching most of the **** thats on tv.

Also why do people (on both sides tbf) think its ok to tell other people what they should find entertaining? I enjoy watching people who have mastered their craft doing things that i could never dream of doing. If thats Rigondeaux almostt shutting out a P4P top 5 fighter or Gatti/Ward taking obscene punishment its all entertaining in one way or another to me. People just need to chill out and stop worrying what other people are doing with their time

agreed 100%

[VERSION1 (V1)]

I enjoy watching Rigo as well as I recognize the great talent that he is. His criticism comes from being too conservative when he has his opponent completely outclassed and has the ability to step on the gas and close the show yet chooses not to.

SRL said it during a recent fight (cant remember which one). As a fighter you must close the show if you're way ahead and have your opponent outclassed.

Nobody wants to see a fighter play it safe in the championship rounds when he has 9-10 rounds in the bag and has his opponent totally outclassed. Give the fans a little something to reward them for spending their hard earned cash to come see you fight and be entertained.

have to disagree with you if Floyd or rigo is fighting I know im going to see and pay for if im watching ggg im know what I'm going to see and pay for

[Barcham]

I think one of the problems is that the purse size is not dependant on winning the fight. If you want the big bucks in other sports, you have to be a winner. You need championships and titles under your belt and to get them you have to have beaten the best in your sport. In boxing, you can duck and avoid the top fighters and if you have a good promo team and know how to self promote, you will still clean up financially. I think all purses should be based on the combined success of the TWO boxers in the fight and the winner should always walk away with the larger purse.

You would see a drastic change in how someone fights if the purse split for a fight was 30-30 with the remaining 40 determined by how many rounds a fighter wins and whether he wins the fight or not. Say 24 percent - 2% per round for a 12 rounder, and the final 16 to the winner. If a fight does not go the distance, the remaining round percentage also goes to the winner.

I don't think we would see too many fighters content to go the 12 rounds and walk away with a loss in that case or many quitting on their stool in the corner. When there would be that kind of money on the line, you would really give your best out there. Imagine someone getting into the ring with Floyd and knowing that they have a chance to win a chunk of that 32 million instead of whatever pittance they were paid to show up? You'd have a much more interesting fight and fighters would be out there to win, not simply for a payday.

[Deevel916]

have to disagree with you if Floyd or rigo is fighting I know im going to see and pay for if im watching ggg im know what I'm going to see and pay for

That's called knowing what to expect from certain fighters.

There's no way though that you can say that you PREFER Floyd or Rigo to play it safe despite having their opponent completely outclassed rather than turning it on and pushing for the stoppage. I dont expect that from Floyd or Rigo either and know what I'm going to get when I tune in to one of their bouts. Doesnt mean I wouldnt prefer for them to go above and beyond just playing it safe.

[The Big Dunn]

I think one of the problems is that the purse size is not dependant on winning the fight. If you want the big bucks in other sports, you have to be a winner. You need championships and titles under your belt and to get them you have to have beaten the best in your sport. In boxing, you can duck and avoid the top fighters and if you have a good promo team and know how to self promote, you will still clean up financially. I think all purses should be based on the combined success of the TWO boxers in the fight and the winner should always walk away with the larger purse.

You would see a drastic change in how someone fights if the purse split for a fight was 30-30 with the remaining 40 determined by how many rounds a fighter wins and whether he wins the fight or not. Say 24 percent - 2% per round for a 12 rounder, and the final 16 to the winner. If a fight does not go the distance, the remaining round percentage also goes to the winner.

I don't think we would see too many fighters content to go the 12 rounds and walk away with a loss in that case or many quitting on their stool in the corner. When there would be that kind of money on the line, you would really give your best out there. Imagine someone getting into the ring with Floyd and knowing that they have a chance to win a chunk of that 32 million instead of whatever pittance they were paid to show up? You'd have a much more interesting fight and fighters would be out there to win, not simply for a payday.

Anything that incentivizes or rewards winning is a good thin IMO.

I don't think you do away with guaranteed purses.

Good post.