(video) Gennady describes his opinion on Ward fight

[Eastcoast]

Team ggg wants a catch weight but Ward is gonna pull a p*ssy move? Replay that in your mind once............................it'll come to you

If Ward doesn't make a counter offer or accept this one it means he doesn't want it. He spent alot of time talking about Golovkin saying Golovkin's scared and now Golovkin has responded. Let's see if Ward really wants to fight, he can accept or counter, but if he does neither = p*ssy.

[just the facts]

If Ward doesn't make a counter offer or accept this one it means he doesn't want it. He spent alot of time talking about Golovkin saying Golovkin's scared and now Golovkin has responded. Let's see if Ward really wants to fight, he can accept or counter, but if he does neither = p*ssy.

asking for the 164 catch weight = p*ssy, insisting on it on further negotiations = double vagina.

[DLX]

If you don't like catchweights fine, I really don't either. But it is a fair catchweight. Gennady doesn't need to go to 168. Meet in the Middle. The ball is in Ward's court. Gennady doesn't look scared, he looks to genuinely want the fight, but wants an even playing field. Ward should at least counter offer if he's serious.

[BrometheusBob.]

If Ward doesn't make a counter offer or accept this one it means he doesn't want it. He spent alot of time talking about Golovkin saying Golovkin's scared and now Golovkin has responded. Let's see if Ward really wants to fight, he can accept or counter, but if he does neither = p*ssy.

Yeah I think at least they should make the Lomachenko-esque move and say we'll take the fight at 168 or something, where they declare an intent to make the fight but clarify that the catchweight is or is not agreeable.

[King_]

I have no problems with what he's saying, GGG IS the A-Side, he dictates terms.


Why would he risk going up to a weight (when he's already small at the lower weight he's at) and fight his first fight at the higher weight against a guy who's known to hold and headbutt?


GGG doesn't know how much strength he'll have with the added weight, its very possible Ward holding onto him until GGG gasses is a real strategy.


But with that said, GGG still beats Ward at 168, and if Ward doesn't want to fight British state government workers, he should take the fight. DIDN'T Ward say he'll drop to like 160 or something to fight Floyd???


Case closed

[HEND]

Ok lets go one by one.

1. Analogy between Cotto and GGG is not really valid. Nobody called Cotto to fight GGG, when Cotto was at 154. Now the fight is demanded only because Cotto has 160 belt and he is not willing to fight the mandatory. Not only that but he is not willing to fight at 160 at all (he fights at CWs). All of that is fine, but DROP the belt and do whatever you want.
Nobody should disrespect Floyd. He has no business at 160 and he doesn't need to give GGG shot at 154. If he does all kudos in the world!

2. Fighting Chavez or Froch is not 'going to 168' per se. Yes, he would fight those fights at 168, get LOADS of money and GO BACK to 160 probably unbeaten. Ward doesn't bring that money. Ward is a much harder fight. Ward is not even a star he was 3 years ago. So why give it ALL to fight Ward. You loose a lot if you get beaten, you get some (not as much as you should) if you beat Ward.
So in that view 164 is not unreasonable. It is a middle ground. In 1-2 years, after Ward (hopefully) cleans 168 again (DeGale, Direll..) and becomes verge of PPV, then YES - it should be 168.

3. Sure. Hagler generation was probably deeper. But don't forget that Duran fought Hagler and what is Duran's natural weight.. Every fighter should fight at his natural weight as long as they can accomplish something at that weight. Gennady still has a LOT to do at 160..

1: I agree on the cw bullshit but let's not blame him for "not fight his mandatory". Can he secure a huge money fight before the not huge money but risky Golovkin fight? Yes he can, they agreed with Golovkin and WBC let them. So... why should he fight him now if Golovkin's side agreed with him and the organization also let him to fight him if he beats Canelo?

2: That's okay if you don't use double standards. I don't know about you especially but I would bet with anything that if Mayweather would fight Cotto at 160 for the middleweight title but he wouldn't fight Golovkin or he would fight with him only at 154 then there would be a big-big outrage here.
Or if Ward would say that he goes up to 175 only for a big money fight for Hopkins but he wouldn't go up for a less money Kovalev fight or he would fight him only at 171,5 then there would be also a huge outrage here.

3: A lot? Why? It's a weak weight class and he already beat the best guy after Cotto, Canelo and himself in it (that would be Murray). he will fight the winner of Cotto vs Canelo. Let's assume that he would win that fight(I'm not sure but whatever for the sake of the argument now...) After that what will happen? He collect belts against Lee/Saunders or Lemieux? Neither of those guys are even on Murray's level they are probably somewhere on Geale's level. Nothing extra. They are nice little fighters but nothing to get crazy about. While 168 contains more serious challenges, not many but still. Groves, Degale and Ward and even maybe the winner of Stieglitz/Abraham (they are probably on Murray's level too though...).

[Barcham]

1: I agree on the cw bull**** but let's not blame him for "not fight his mandatory". Can he secure a huge money fight before the not huge money but risky Golovkin fight? Yes he can, they agreed with Golovkin and WBC let them. So... why should he fight him now if Golovkin's side agreed with him and the organization also let him to fight him if he beats Canelo?

2: That's okay if you don't use double standards. I don't know about you especially but I would bet with anything that if Mayweather would fight Cotto at 160 for the middleweight title but he wouldn't fight Golovkin or he would fight with him only at 154 then there would be a big-big outrage here.
Or if Ward would say that he goes up to 175 only for a big money fight for Hopkins but he wouldn't go up for a less money Kovalev fight or he would fight him only at 171,5 then there would be also a huge outrage here.

3: A lot? Why? It's a weak weight class and he already beat the best guy after Cotto, Canelo and himself in it (that would be Murray). he will fight the winner of Cotto vs Canelo. Let's assume that he would win that fight(I'm not sure but whatever for the sake of the argument now...) After that what will happen? He collect belts against Lee/Saunders or Lemieux? Neither of those guys are even on Murray's level they are probably somewhere on Geale's level. Nothing extra. They are nice little fighters but nothing to get crazy about. While 168 contains more serious challenges, not many but still. Groves, Degale and Ward and even maybe the winner of Stieglitz/Abraham (they are probably on Murray's level too though...).

Sorry, but there has been NO agreement between Cotto/Canelo and GGG for their fight to happen. Unless of course you can point us to an official statement from Golovkin or WBO that an agreement has been reached.

There is one huge difference between the Cotto - Geale or Canelo fight and a GGG - Ward fight happening at a catchweight and that is in the GGG fight NO TITLE would be on the line. As much as I despise catchweights, my main objection has always been catchweights with a title on the line. No title, two fighters from different divisions, no problem.

As for what would GGG do after getting the WBC title... well he would unify all the titles at MW. That is a huge accomplishment that has only been achieved by one man in all weight divisions in the history of boxing. It does not matter who currently holds the titles, just that they will be held by only one man if GGG is successful. That is a HOF entry guaranteed. If you do not recognize that, you have a serious problem.

[Dean_Razorback]

how is this different from rigo/loma??

fight him at 168 so everybody shuts the fuck up

[just the facts]

I have no problems with what he's saying, GGG IS the A-Side, he dictates terms.


Why would he risk going up to a weight (when he's already small at the lower weight he's at) and fight his first fight at the higher weight against a guy who's known to hold and headbutt?


GGG doesn't know how much strength he'll have with the added weight, its very possible Ward holding onto him until GGG gasses is a real strategy.


But with that said, GGG still beats Ward at 168, and if Ward doesn't want to fight British state government workers, he should take the fight. DIDN'T Ward say he'll drop to like 160 or something to fight Floyd???


Case closed

posted by you not 24 hours ago- "Catch weights are for guys not confident in their ability to beat other fighters. In other words catch weights are terrible for boxing"

[AKAcronym]

I don't like the idea of this fight as a CW but I'm hoping it's just a negotiating tactic. I want this fight at 168 as much as everyone else. GGG's team must have clearly got in his head about the CW because him and Abel were always against them. But if he's singing the same tune now then it's on him as well.