Collazo & Herrera: Differences In The Cut Reaction Caused By The Al Haymon Effect?

[bigjavi973]

no al haymon effect. Some fighters just tough it out more than others & have more testicular fortitude.

[bigjavi973]

Luis Collazo is Puerto Rican and Mauricio Herrera is Mexican. That explains everything. End thread.

[mathed]

The 'Haymon Effect', eh? Great theory, Bro.

Now please explain how 'the Haymon Effect' works when non Haymon fighters like Geale and Willie Monroe Jr do the EXACT SAME THING and also quit in fights on HBO just a few weeks before.

Thank you in advance.

GGG beat the fight out of them.

[ironmike2012]

Mexican's never quit, what about Chavez?
Also Chavez quit right after he signed with Haymon, so that is suspect too.

[brettWall]

People have to admit this is a very sensible observation. I never even thought about it when I was watching the fight, except the part where Collazo mentioned about continuing his career with Haymon, and that there's no need to resume the fight. It almost seemed like they're looking for opportunities to stop the fight early.

[torosboxing75]

Luis Collazo is Puerto Rican and Mauricio Herrera is Mexican. That explains everything. End thread.

Even the so called mexican't warrior jorge archole quit against a C class fighter in Rojas. Chavez quit, Chavez jr quit on his stool! lmao! Keep dreaming peasants. You guys are so great it takes 123 million of you to battle 3 million of mine so STFU!!! and GTFO!!!

[sicko]

Al Haymon? I know many people like to blame him for all that is bad in boxing but damn are we blaming him for Cuts and how fighters react to cuts as well?

[Sweet Jones]

My "own criteria" was referring to an injury such as an abrasion of some sort around the face which the doctor is there to assess. The doctor can not really assess if your brains are completely scrambled from being hit. Your entire post here is basically assuming that anyone who retires from fighting is quitting for no good reason . Which is something I've never said.

I never said that either. I just pointed out that your ridiculous 'theory' based on you ASSUMING Collazo quit due to Haymon paydays isn't based on anything.

If you've watched boxing long enough you know that there are plenty of scenarios where a fighter could justifiably decide not to continue. This is the REASON the referee ASKS the fighter "ARE YOU OK TO CONTINUE?" immediately after getting up from a knock down which is what happened in both the examples you gave for Geale and Willie Monroe.

With a fighter declaring 'I can't see' being a common cause for not continuing. You know this, right?

In Collazo's case, the "referee intervention" was entirely instigated by Collazo while he was sitting on his stool in the corner, having never even been knocked down. He just saw the blood, felt a bit of pain and decided it was better to quit so that he wouldn't have to delay his next payday if the injury had worsened.

And you know this based on what? Admit it, you're just pulling this out of your arse.

Totally different scenario, compared to Geale and Monroe. You can try and lump all of them into the same group if you want but it would basically be idiotic in my opinion.

Again, your own words: He just saw the blood, felt a bit of pain and decided it was better to quit so that he wouldn't have to delay his next payday if the injury had worsened.

Geale and Monroe realized they were outgunned and made the same 'business decision' that you accuse Collazo of.

Again, you're way out over your skis on this. Let it go.

[Sweet Jones]

GGG beat the fight out of them.

You could say the same about Thurman and Collazo.

[torosboxing75]

You could say the same about Thurman and Collazo.

I think what he's saying is that if Collazo didn't have any contract fight agreements to look forward to and wasn't sure what his future had in store he would've kept fighting. I know that nobody knows what his agreement is with Haymon but judging by Collazo's reaction after the fight, it isn't that bad of an assumption or theory. I mean Collazo looked and sound almost excited for what the future had for him. Who says those things and acts that way after they quit on their stool. I know it's just the TS opinion but not a bad theory. I personally feel Thurman was just hurting him bad that last round and Collazo didn't want to get stopped. He wanted to at least be able to say he hurt Thurman and only quit because of not being able to see. As for what he said in the post fight interview, who knows. The only thing any of us can give is our opinion.