Collazo & Herrera: Differences In The Cut Reaction Caused By The Al Haymon Effect?

[Bardock]

Word up bro! Mexicans never quit! Especially not on no damn stool the way Collazo did.

[Rip Chudd]

Do you actually know clooazo has a multi fight deal or are you assuming it?

He's assuming. You don't need hard facts to blame Al Haymon, it's the go to card now in boxing.

[FlatLine]

Do you actually know clooazo has a multi fight deal or are you assuming it?

I'm guessing based on previous fighters having these type of deals - most publicly Floyd Mayweather's 6 fight deal.

I suspect lots of fighters (if not most) have similar deals under Haymon which is why we often hear fighters say "I'd like to thank Al Haymon".

On the one hand that type of deal provides the fighter with security and a guaranteed income for a period of time, but on the other hand it can cause this type of premature ending to a fight.

[Sweet Jones]

No. Thank you. Good examples here to demonstrate my point further. Both Geale and Willie Monroe Jr sustained actual knockdowns against them and were visibly in poor condition. Geale got knocked down twice, Monroe Jr 3 times. Those two are actually good examples of when fighters are justified in not wanting to continue. These situations do happen.

Now Collazo didn't get knocked down a singe time, and in fact he landed the best punch of the night and nearly knocked Thurman down. He just felt that he had a slight injury, knew that he was destined to be paid if he was able to fight again, so he just jumped to a conclusion that its better to not fight and risk further injury because that would just delay his next payday.

Thanks for providing two examples to further emphasize, drive home, solidify and cement my original point, infusing more certainty, veracity and validation in the excellent points I had previously espoused. The truth most certainly enjoys company, I can tell you.

But YOUR OWN criteria against Collazo wasn't based on whether he was knocked down nor in 'visibly poor condition'. Here's what you wrote when accusing Collazo of 'the Haymon Effect':

Isn't that what the doctor is there for, to determine how serious an injury is? Why was Collazo so comfortable with retiring? He just shrugged his shoulders and quit as if it was nothing

The referee didnt stop either of the fights I mentioned based on them being in 'visibly poor condition'. Isn't that what he's there for? The ring doctors didn't stop the fight to protect Geale nor Monroe based on 'injury'. Isn't that what they are there for?

Those two non Haymon fighters made their own decision to not continue, just like Collazo. Not that hard to understand.

Dude, you're way out in front of your skis with this 'theory'. Let it go.

[Weebler I]

I think Collazo knew he was in there as the heavy underdog, knew he was losing and the cut was just going to make it harder than it already was for him. He's a religious guy with family on his mind, he didn't want to take any more punishment.

I don't think it had anything to do with Haymon, jmo.

[Mr. 29K]

Lmfao.


I'm shocked that Collazo quit, tsk tsk. He had to pull a Kneeguel Chocha, but hey, at least he didn't jump out of the ring, and quit like Quitter Cintron.

[whitealltrac]

................

Word up bro! Mexicans never quit! Especially not on no damn stool the way Collazo did.

Mexicans never quit ha?

[Moop]

Nah, if Al gave Collazo a $3m 6 fight contract that would be absurd.

Luis has his McCall moments in the ring. Quitting with a decent shot at the upset on Saturday, hands down man down vs Khan.

Luis would have quit if he was getting $100k, he's just a 34 year old vet who's tired of the fight game.

[dookie]

He knows that winning will lead to a Mattyhsse fight. I honestly CANT see him possibly winning the fight, but he's earned it. I favour him over anybody at 140 outside of Lucas honestly.

No one at 140 beats T-Bud Crawford

[FlatLine]

But YOUR OWN criteria against Collazo wasn't based on whether he was knocked down nor in 'visibly poor condition'. Here's what you wrote when accusing Collazo of 'the Haymon Effect':



The referee didnt stop either of the fights I mentioned based on them being in 'visibly poor condition'. Isn't that what he's there for? The ring doctors didn't stop the fight to protect Geale nor Monroe based on 'injury'. Isn't that what they are there for?

Those two non Haymon fighters made their own decision to not continue, just like Collazo. Not that hard to understand.


Dude, you're way out in front of your skis with this 'theory'. Let it go.

My "own criteria" was referring to an injury such as an abrasion of some sort around the face which the doctor is there to assess. The doctor can not really assess if your brains are completely scrambled from being hit. Your entire post here is basically assuming that anyone who retires from fighting is quitting for no good reason. Which is something I've never said.

If you've watched boxing long enough you know that there are plenty of scenarios where a fighter could justifiably decide not to continue. This is the REASON the referee ASKS the fighter "ARE YOU OK TO CONTINUE?" immediately after getting up from a knock down which is what happened in both the examples you gave for Geale and Willie Monroe.

Have you ever wondered why a referee asks a fighter this at that particular time? You guessed it, there's a very good reason.

In Collazo's case, the "referee intervention" was entirely instigated by Collazo while he was sitting on his stool in the corner, having never even been knocked down. He just saw the blood, felt a bit of pain and decided it was better to quit so that he wouldn't have to delay his next payday if the injury had worsened.

Totally different scenario, compared to Geale and Monroe. You can try and lump all of them into the same group if you want but it would basically be idiotic in my opinion.