Free boxing on regular television how in the world is that bad?

[Pigeons]

Ah, but the same guy who denied us Kovalev vs Stevenson, Stevenson vs either Hopkins or Pascal, Broner vs Matthysse, Quillen vs Korobov, ect, is the one who's likely going to continue to do so. These other fights we are getting on PBC are mere consolation prizes and not quite the barn-burners we want.

Quillin-Korobov? Instead you got Quillin-Korobov Conqueror.

Broner-Matthysse? Would have happened eventually if Matthysse didn't run to HBO like a b*tch.

Crying about Stevenson-Kovalev? HBO prevented that fight this year, not PBC.

[Mitchell Kane]

And what was HBO boxing budget every year, their constantly slashing it had nothing to do with how that whole scenario played out? Are you interested in looking critically at HBO's effect on boxing?

I do look at HBO critically.

I dislike their announcers, in particular Jim Lampley and Max Kellerman.

I dislike their policy of signing fighters to exclusive contracts. I dislike that those contracts lead them to becoming television promoters of certain fighters, that it leads to mismatches and showcases, that it stands in the way of other fights being made.

Now do you want to look critically at Haymon and Schaefer?

[elgu]

You wouldn't have gotten into that position? That doesn't answer the question. The question is what you would do once in that position.

So cards like Floyd/canelo and danny/matts made no sense? Are you perhaps over exaggerating things just a bit?

Younger fighters are going to get put into showcase fights, no different than Canelo/Kirkland etc etc. Are you suggesting its wrong to do that?

I said his business model of having fighters box bums is not good for the fans, and to that i'm pretty sure you have no answer.

Floyd/Canelo and Danny/Matts only happened because everyone was under goldenboy and when Oscar saw Al's real plans he shunned him and sued him.

Oscar sues him, Bob sues him, he refuses to do business with HBO.

I guess if you're a fan of fighters boxing bums you can keep watching PBC.

[puro dinamita]

The more boxing i can watch the better

well stop bother people for their opinion you don't seem to hear any ones points so why bring it up useless

[El-blanco]

I have HBO free with my cable subscription.

I have zero doubt in my mind that I make more money than you.

so why did you make it part of your argument? Just being a little whiny b1tch as usual I see. And in your dreams, talk to me when you move out of moms.

[k1llu]

HBO got mad after Floyd signed an exclusive deal with showtime and they told al to go fuck himself.PBC is the best thing to happen to boxing in years, yes their production sucks and commentary is **** too but they've been out for only 4 months and we have already seen fights like Thurman-Guerrero, Garcia-Peterson, Broner-Porter, Dirrell-DeGale, Khan-Algieri show me anything HBO has done in the same time period I'm waiting .if you want to talk about mismatch go look at GGG.cotto.nelo all their resent opponents all HBO fighters.

[SUBZER0ED]

THANK YOU!! You would take your business elsewhere, but not necessarily do things the way Al has. That's all I was trying to figure out.

I am not ignoring the cause, It's just not as cut and dry as you suggested. it also wasn't just Al-take the Juan Ma/Gamboa "marinate" fiasco. Take Arum taking Shane/Manny to Sho.

The name of the game is maximizing revenue for fights. as I said to Mitchell Kane, I get why HBO did what it did. It's their right. But you can't expect Al to just go away quietly.

AL made his guys money and made money for himself-that is what every promoter and manager in boxing does.

The question is, at who's expense? Right now, he has investors backing him. How long will that last? Will networks buy air time after running the numbers & considering the litigation Al faces?

[elgu]

Quillin-Korobov? Instead you got Quillin-Korobov Conqueror.

Broner-Matthysse? Would have happened eventually if Matthysse didn't run to HBO like a b*tch.

Crying about Stevenson-Kovalev? HBO prevented that fight this year, not PBC.

Mattysse picked HBO because Haymon couldn't deliver the Garcia rematch and Lucas ended up fighting Provodnikov and winning and Broner got exposed....again. For the record i think Ruslan would end Broner's career.

[The Gambler1981]

I do look at HBO critically.

I dislike their announcers, in particular Jim Lampley and Max Kellerman.

I dislike their policy of signing fighters to exclusive contracts. I dislike that those contracts lead them to becoming television promoters of certain fighters, that it leads to mismatches and showcases, that it stands in the way of other fights being made.

Now do you want to look critically at Haymon and Schaefer?

That is not even the tip of the ice burg with HBO. HBO is the alpha and omega when it comes to selfishness and arrogance in boxing, they pioneered this whole attitude of our way or the highway.

Now it is being flipped on it's head by the guy they ousted publicly because they don't care to invest properly in the sport. Or act in a way that enhances the competition on the whole rather than running the same old play time and again.

That HBO is getting done as they have done others for so long is to me comical.


As for Haymon it is starting up they need to iron things out and they need a front man boxing guy to really make things work properly. Right now it is kind of rudderless because there is no explanation of the vision of PBC because Haymon doesn't like to be out front, which is fine long run. He does need someone to implement this vision properly and explain it to the unwashed masses so they get what is going down.

I don't care much about announcer, I don't care about entourages, I don't care much about presentation, I don't care at all about ring card girls (not like you see them unless you are at the shows), I don't overly care if the venture is turning a profit or not as long as it is properly trending and the value growth offset the loses to the point that investment still occurs.


It is a long term process that will work it self out, or it won't and it will fail and someone else will come in to try and make boxing work. It won't be HBO though they will be out before Haymon mark my words.

[ИATAS]

Have you ever read that or is that what you are guessing?

What promoter/manager doesn't want their clients getting paid big money for easier work? Notice how upset Bob got when HBO suggested they will act a s"matchmaker" instead of the TR matchmakers making fights.

As for exposed, same could be said for Donaire or Juan Ma. Losing doesn't always mean you are exposed.

What would you do if you were AL? That is the part posters keep leaving off.

Would you fight back or would you just do it HBO's way?

From HBO. From Hershman. Obviously Haymon doesn't talk to the media.

It was a constant thing with Haymon - he'd want fighter A to fight some lessor opponent on a certain date and get X amount of money for it, HBO would express they have no interest and they want fighter A to fight someone else, and then Haymon would threaten if they don't sign this fight he'll take fighter A and/or Fighter B (often times a bigger name fighter) to a different network. It was blackmail tactics. "Give me what I want, or else...". That's how Haymon did business. HBO wasn't having it after Hershman came to the network. Greenberg got bullied by guys like Haymon (and no I'm not saying Haymon was the only guy to do it, but that doesn't make it right either).

You're acting really naive when it comes to Haymon. He doesn't get huge paydays for guys for being a super nice guy. He's a cutthroat business man. He did whatever it took to get what he wanted, even if that meant burning down bridges (we've seen him burn down the HBO bridge, we're watching him burn Showtime and who knows what other bridges will be burnt next).