Free boxing on regular television how in the world is that bad?

[The Gambler1981]

I am pretty sure HBO's budget for boxing has gone down every year since the turn of the century?


Why should Haymon tie up his ship to someone that is not showing the same zeal for the sport they showed for the 2 decades previous when they took over the sport.


Now HBO's ever shrinking boxing budget is squeezing everyone on HBO's coattails, that is cause and effect. If HBO was willing to actually spend on their product they would have got Kovalev-Stevenson, but it ain't worth it to them now. Do people no see where that road is leading?

[Mitchell Kane]

ok. those points are accurate. HBO responded to that by banning fighters that were signed to Al (except Rodriguez for the Ward fight).

What was Al supposed to do at that point in response?

Of couse the points are accurate.

You're acting like it was Haymon who was reating to HBO, when in reality, it was HBO reacting to Haymon and Schaefer.

If you're going to ask what Haymon should have done, then the question should be asked about what he should have done BEFORE he got banned, not AFTER, because Haymon and Schaefer brought the ban on themselves.

But you're not interested in looking critically at how Haymon and Schaefer conducted business.

[SUBZER0ED]

Ok, we know why you think HBO banned Haymon and you are ok with it. Fine. To pretend HBO made no money is ridiculous. So we stipulate you agree with HBO banning him. cool.

I didn't ask you what you wouldn't do, I asked what would you do after being banned.

You didn't answer that.

So again, how would you respond to being banned from HBO if you were in Al's shoes?

This can't be that hard to answer.

I didn't say that HBO made no money. Obviously though, they weren't happy with the terms Al proposed, else they'd still be working together. HBO paying big money for crap fights can't be good for them, but it sure helps Al pay his fighters.

Again, you're ignoring the cause portion of the equation, which is the first thing I mentioned. If I were banned, I'd obviously take my business elsewhere. However, I'm sure it wouldn't be in the same way that Haymon did.

[The Big Dunn]

If you think my second paragraph is ******ed you're a shortsighted fan boy and there's nothing i can do about that.

As for what i would have done in Al's position is to never land in that position at all. His way of conducting business makes no sense unless you're a fighter wanting to get paid for little work. But for a fight fan... it makes no sense.

You wouldn't have gotten into that position? That doesn't answer the question. The question is what you would do once in that position.

So cards like Floyd/canelo and danny/matts made no sense? Are you perhaps over exaggerating things just a bit?

Younger fighters are going to get put into showcase fights, no different than Canelo/Kirkland etc etc. Are you suggesting its wrong to do that?

[Crazylegs77]

Why cant everyone see Haymon is like Jesus, risking being crucified and losing money for us, so we can watch free boxing!

[The Gambler1981]

Of couse the points are accurate.

You're acting like it was Haymon who was reating to HBO, when in reality, it was HBO reacting to Haymon and Schaefer.

If you're going to ask what Haymon should have done, then the question should be asked about what he should have done BEFORE he got banned, not AFTER, because Haymon and Schaefer brought the ban on themselves.

But you're not interested in looking critically at how Haymon and Schaefer conducted business.

And what was HBO boxing budget every year, their constantly slashing it had nothing to do with how that whole scenario played out? Are you interested in looking critically at HBO's effect on boxing?

[The Big Dunn]

I didn't say that HBO made no money. Obviously though, they weren't happy with the terms Al proposed, else they'd still be working together. HBO paying big money for crap fights can't be good for them, but it sure helps Al pay his fighters.

Again, you're ignoring the cause portion of the equation, which is the first thing I mentioned. If I were banned, I'd obviously take my business elsewhere. However, I'm sure it wouldn't be in the same way that Haymon did.

THANK YOU!! You would take your business elsewhere, but not necessarily do things the way Al has. That's all I was trying to figure out.

I am not ignoring the cause, It's just not as cut and dry as you suggested. it also wasn't just Al-take the Juan Ma/Gamboa "marinate" fiasco. Take Arum taking Shane/Manny to Sho.

The name of the game is maximizing revenue for fights. as I said to Mitchell Kane, I get why HBO did what it did. It's their right. But you can't expect Al to just go away quietly.

AL made his guys money and made money for himself-that is what every promoter and manager in boxing does.

[gdub27]

I don't see why people expect HBO and Showtime quality fights to happen on PBC. These same people do not demand this out of ESPN Friday night fights cards. These are basic cable and free TV fights, but ya'll want pay cable and PPV level cards or you have a problem with it.

[Pigeons]

I'm guessing you're too broke to afford hbo because if you did, you'd realize they show more than just boxing. That's what you're paying for. Probably 50 cents of the monthly fee goes towards boxing. Terrible argument, ******.

I have HBO free with my cable subscription.

I have zero doubt in my mind that I make more money than you.

[SUBZER0ED]

I am pretty sure HBO's budget for boxing has gone down every year since the turn of the century?


Why should Haymon tie up his ship to someone that is not showing the same zeal for the sport they showed for the 2 decades previous when they took over the sport.


Now HBO's ever shrinking boxing budget is squeezing everyone on HBO's coattails, that is cause and effect. If HBO was willing to actually spend on their product they would have got Kovalev-Stevenson, but it ain't worth it to them now. Do people no see where that road is leading?

How, by paying Stevenson millions to fight Fonfara without a guarantee for a Kovalev fight? Stevenson would not promise a Kovalev fight as part of the deal.