Comments Thread For: Top Rank Sues Al Haymon For Over $100 Million

[wlliam]

Look, I get it. You think you know more about this law than those of us who actually operated under it for decades.

Its pointless for you and I to continue debating it, because you already know everything.

And if 3 federal lawsuits, and a letter from the Association of Boxing Commissions to the Attorney General of the United States dont open your mind to the possibility that something is very wrong with Haymons business model, then certainly nothing me or anyone else on a message board can say will get you to open your eyes.

He can very well say the same thing to you.

So theres 3 lawsuits against Haymon, so he had to be doing something wrong? There has been at least 10 lawsuits against Bob..by his very own fighters for wrong doing...so he has to be wrong too as well, right? Not to mention actually being convicted of Bribery...you remember Bob tried to bribe the IBF for a nice rankn for TR fighter..

My point is, the "wheres theres smoke" logic ur applying actually makes the guy u support look bad in this case...where his credibility may very well be called into question, Mr. "Lying yesterday.." isnt clean...in perspective, Haymon looks clean

[Barcham]

He can very well say the same thing to you.

So theres 3 lawsuits against Haymon, so he had to be doing something wrong? There has been at least 10 lawsuits against Bob..by his very own fighters for wrong doing...so he has to be wrong too as well, right? Not to mention actually being convicted of Bribery...you remember Bob tried to bribe the IBF for a nice rankn for TR fighter..

My point is, the "wheres theres smoke" logic ur applying actually makes the guy u support look bad in this case...where his credibility may very well be called into question, Mr. "Lying yesterday.." isnt clean...in perspective, Haymon looks clean

I bet you think Bill Cosby is totally innocent as well.

[wlliam]

I bet you think Bill Cosby is totally innocent as well.

Right bk atcha crybaby

[wlliam]

I bet you think Bill Cosby is totally innocent as well.

Cosby victim 15? Is that you?
Its not ur fault, u know

[aboutfkntime]

Why don't you explain, moron? So far your track record is poor, to be generous.

My track record is poor ?

Provide an example or stfu.

I did not think that Pacquiao could beat Mayweather.

I did not talk utter shht for 5+ years, and then get proven wrong/******.

You should try actually reading the article instead of stating that "Haymon is all about burning through someone else's money"..... if you are not familiar with that particular practice, try reading the article.

Also, spending money short-term, to guarantee long-term success, is not a new business model..... the way Haymon is doing it is likely anti-competitive, but its up to Petrocelli to prove that legally.

But I think you missed the point..... the subject is dishonest, greedy, selfish practices, that demean the standards within boxing for personal profit..... and you are here defending Arum lol.

[aboutfkntime]

Hero, a genuine fan has the right to be concerned about the state of boxing.

Had you made categoric statements criticizing Haymon, I would say nothing.

But no, you decided to defend Bob "yesterday I was lying, today I am telling the truth" Arum.

So, you are obviously not concerned about boxing..... you are concerned with fluffing Pacquiao's current promoter, and bashing Mayweathers current manager.

Pretty dumb man !

[aboutfkntime]

From the other thread.....

My favorite sport, Boxing.. Is one of the most corrupt sports and its so sad. I believe this 100%.. Lets not pretend Pacquiao fanboys wernt in here claiming Arum had the judges rigged so that Bradley won the first fight.

This is just sad. Arum has always been a snake and the ONLY reason people defend Arum is because Arum = Pacquiao by association.

EVERY promoter actually is in questioned.. because they are the ones that pay the judges... such a corrupt system.

Boxing needs an alternative. a 12 (or more) Team league with head gear and body gear, with a universal commission and a union, with the option of fighting internationally with a promoter the way it works now, Boxing needs fixing BAD

That is exactly right !

No boxing fan in their right mind could support Bob Arum.

Not after what hes done to line his selfish greedy pockets.

the pacstains dont care..... " we luv manny doe "

Sound like anyone we know ?

[saintpat]

Arum lawyer: "Your honor, PBC is clearly losing money in hopes of later making money."

Judge: "Didn't your client promote Pacquaio-Algieri?"

Arum lawyer: "Wait ... wat?"

[Scipio2009]

I know thinking is not your thing, but you should give it a try here. What's. pbc plan again?

You obviously have no idea how banking is supposed to work; you threw out your lark, expecting that no one would bother calling you on the bull****. oh well.

The PBC plan, from what I've been able to surmise is a rather simple one; at/near the end of the time buy phase, some broadcaster(s), seeing the ratings success, will pay a content deal for rights to the PBC broadcasts.

Example: NBC/NBCSN signs PBC to a 7-year, $100m per year content deal, consisting of 50 annual events (12 Saturday primetime telecasts on NBC, 28 Saturday afternoon broadcasts on NBC, 10 broadcasts on NBCSN). Haymon's basically signed a deal that'd bring $700m into the PBC venture, with the likelihood that that number will increase when the signed deal runs it's course, is renegotiated.

$100m for 50 cards, puts the average take per show at $2m. Average cost per show will likely be below that, with PBC pocketing the difference.

[Scipio2009]

Look, I get it. You think you know more about this law than those of us who actually operated under it for decades.

Its pointless for you and I to continue debating it, because you already know everything.

And if 3 federal lawsuits, and a letter from the Association of Boxing Commissions to the Attorney General of the United States dont open your mind to the possibility that something is very wrong with Haymons business model, then certainly nothing me or anyone else on a message board can say will get you to open your eyes.

Association of Boxing Commissions, imo, is in bed with HBO; the same can be said with the WBO, Top Rank, Golden Boy, and Main Events.

Any objective look at the landscape would make things quite obvious (notice how the WBC/WBA/IBF aren't in any of these talks, let alone word from the various athletic commissions or even any promoters without relationships with HBO, ie Roc Nation Sports, Greg Cohen Promotions, Interbox).

It's basically been boiled down to Haymon vs the old guard of boxing (HBO), with one party, in the end, ceasing to exist.

If Haymon proves successful, HBO gets out of the boxing business, sticking to their original series' and effectively killing off Top Rank/Golden Boy/Main Events (K2 can still go back to Germany and do good business). Seeing what's at stake, the old guard is throwing everything t the window, hoping beyond hope that something sticks. build or destroy, as the saying goes.

Beyond that, I've never claimed to know everything; I just don't tolerate nonsense, especially when, if you wanted, the source materials are available for people to see and read with their own eyes.