Do you consider a boxer to be in his prime after 110 fights??

[GunStar]

If you fight top notch then hell ya you will be WAY past it, but if you feed on bums your whole career like Julio Cesar Chavez then no you will not be past it.

Lol, even Chavez was not in his prime after 100+ fights.

Good post about the top notch part.

[Violent Demise]

Casamayors been in over 300 amautar bouts, and 32-3(should be 1)-1 D. Do you consider him primed? It just depends on how cometed you are to boxing, and how old you are, what type of fights your having..

Casamayor should be undefeated

[cold]

Depends on if he has won alot of those fights or all of them and his age.

[Yogi]

LOL!

Gunstar, why start a thread about this when there was a perfectly good thread about this elsewhere?

Anyway guys, he's only asking you this because myself and some others claimed that Robinson was in his prime for his 112th pro fight (which I backed up with a video and some contemporary quotes from boxing writers who followed Robinson at that time), as were other fighters from that time who had that number of fights...Willie Pep, Sandy Saddler, Ike Williams (again a quote was given where Williams himself stated that his best fight/absolute peak performance was in his 114th fight), Archie Moore, etc.

His question should have been phrased along the lines of "Has there ever been a fighter in all of boxing history that was still in his prime after 112 fights?", because that was what this guy was all up in arms about and he stated that there never has been one who was still in his prime at that point.

Not only can you search around the era of the 40's, but you can also go back even further and look at fighters like Harry Greb, Sam Langford, Johnny Dundee, Jack Britton, Ted 'Kid' Lewis, Maxie Rosenbloom, Jimmy Wilde, Tony Canzoneri, Benny Leonard, Freddie Miller, Young Stribling, etc., etc., etc...I'm sure you'll find that more than a few of those guys were still in their respective primes after 112 pro fights.

[GunStar]

LOL!

Gunstar, why start a thread about this when there was a perfectly good thread about this elsewhere?

Anyway guys, he's only asking you this because myself and some others claimed that Robinson was in his prime for his 112th pro fight (which I backed up with a video and some contemporary quotes from boxing writers who followed Robinson at that time), as were other fighters from that time who had that number of fights...Willie Pep, Sandy Saddler, Ike Williams (again a quote was given where Williams himself stated that his best fight/absolute peak performance was in his 114th fight), Archie Moore, etc.

His question should have been phrased along the lines of "Has there ever been a fighter in all of boxing history that was still in his prime after 112 fights?", because that was what this guy was all up in arms about and he stated that there never has been one who was still in his prime at that point.

Not only can you search around the era of the 40's, but you can also go back even further and look at fighters like Harry Greb, Sam Langford, Johnny Dundee, Jack Britton, Ted 'Kid' Lewis, Maxie Rosenbloom, Jimmy Wilde, Tony Canzoneri, Benny Leonard, Freddie Miller, Young Stribling, etc., etc., etc...I'm sure you'll find that more than a few of those guys were still in their respective primes after 112 pro fights.

Lol, do you love Carmen Basilio??? You're following me around, I thought I ended that debate, but still your losing the poll & your trying to put your 2 cent in this thread. At least I didn't block you from my thread.

I think anyone that has fought before, can tell you that you will not be in your prime after after 112 fights. The body will not be the same after 112 fights. That is the fact.

Larry merchant said that we have never seen Robinson's prime, because there is no footage of Robinson's prime. Anyway Yogi, let's not start this crap over on this thread. Let the people vote.

[Tha Greatest]

Whats the difference if your in the pros fighting amateurs.

EVERYTHING...

Amateur bouts are 4 x 2...(if your open)

Pros are 12 x 3...if your a champ who basically everyone is today...

WAY more..

[Shanus]

Regarding Ray Robinson, until his temporary retirement, which was in 1952 I believe, he was in his prime, but the comeback, wasn't the old Robinson, atleast IMO.

[adeelr]

people define prime differently.

[wmute]

Lol, do you love Carmen Basilio??? You're following me around, I thought I ended that debate, but still your losing the poll & your trying to put your 2 cent in this thread. At least I didn't block you from my thread.

I think anyone that has fought before, can tell you that you will not be in your prime after after 112 fights. The body will not be the same after 112 fights. That is the fact.

Larry merchant said that we have never seen Robinson's prime, because there is no footage of Robinson's prime. Anyway Yogi, let's not start this crap over on this thread. Let the people vote.

well said: you thought...

you ask a question about some generic fighter using present tense and in this boxing world top no notch fighter will ever see 100 fights and most of the won't even have 60 fights by the age of 40... lol what do you expect people to answer?

why didn't you start a poll on wether robinson was still in his prime in 1950 at the age of 29?

My guess is that this is because AFTER 1950 he

1) moved up to 160

2) won the MW title

3) defended it, avenging the only (close decision) loss (which happened while he was touring and partying around europe) by means of KO

4) moved up to 175 (still weighing within the 160 limit) and outboxed joey maxim for 13 rounds before collapsing from the heat

NOTE: I don't give to much weight to what larry merchant says, and no boxing fan should

[GunStar]

well said: you thought...

you ask a question about some generic fighter using present tense and in this boxing world top no notch fighter will ever see 100 fights and most of the won't even have 60 fights by the age of 40... lol what do you expect people to answer?

why didn't you start a poll on wether robinson was still in his prime in 1950 at the age of 29?

My guess is that this is because AFTER 1950 he

1) moved up to 160

2) won the MW title

3) defended it, avenging the only (close decision) loss (which happened while he was touring and partying around europe) by means of KO

4) moved up to 175 (still weighing within the 160 limit) and outboxed joey maxim for 13 rounds before collapsing from the heat

NOTE: I don't give to much weight to what larry merchant says, and no boxing fan should

Look man, I didn't start this thread to start the same **** argument. I left that ******ed debate & don't bring that debate into this thread.

Fact is Robinson was still good in his 112th fight, but he was not at his best, only ******s will believe that. No boxer will be in his prime after 112 ****ing fights. How many times I have to tell you this & stop spamming this thread with your garbage.