Who among these has already done enough to deserve entry to the IBHOF?

[crold1]

Marquez, Wlad, and Cotto are shoe-ins. Ward would be by now but his inactivity may turn some voters off. Certain to be rectified soon enough. The rest are all still building cases.

[No Tomorrow]

JMM and Bradley

[joseph5620]

Marquez, Wlad, and Cotto are shoe-ins. Ward would be by now but his inactivity may turn some voters off. Certain to be rectified soon enough. The rest are all still building cases.

Ward has already done enough to be in there. This is the same IBHOF that inducted Arturo Gatti.


It seems like the standards always change when it comes to Ward.

[crold1]

Ward has already done enough to be in there. This is the same IBHOF that inducted Arturo Gatti.


It seems like the standards always change when it comes to Ward.

I didn't say I wouldn't vote for Ward. And I didn't vote for Gatti so that argument doesn't do anything for me. Someone else's mistake shouldn't affect my ballot. Right now, he's accomplished about what Curry did in his peak years. If he comes back and loses bad it could cost him after the inactivity. I suspect he gets some more big wins and breezes in.

[NEETzsche]

if it was up to me, i'd only include marquez and wlad klitschko. cotto has had an awesome career but he was never the best of the best

[LacedUp]

He is a two division champion, unified 140, has wins over Peterson, Holt, JMM, Alexander, Casa Mayor, Vasquez, Witter, Provonikov and, on paper, Pac. With a win tonight, he will again be a title holder (on paper) for the second time at 147 and will have been the first to beat Vargas, just as he was with Alexander and Peterson.

Also, the only fighter to be able to really best him was Pac, the draw in his last fight with Chaves was garbage. The guy has the heart and gamesmanship that very few of the guys on that list have. I think Bradley would beat all of the WW guys over at PBC with the exception of Mayweather. He may not be a once in a generation level boxer but he is several steps above 95% of his peers.

Ok let's take the Pac win away.

Marquez was what? 40? casamayor? honestly? The rest are all extremely average and no way worthy of HOF recognition.

I like Bradley, he's a fighting man. But he's not HOF (yet),

[JmH Reborn]

if it was up to me, i'd only include marquez and wlad klitschko. cotto has had an awesome career but he was never the best of the best

I voted for Klit, JMM and Cotto...

But the same statement you made against Cotto can be said against JMM

I mean if you analyze his career, at no point could you claim he was the best of the best; so lets not have double standards. His entire career is based of his quadrilogy againt Manny.

At FW, he was never truly the best of the best, especially w/ Morales, Barrera, John and Manny hanging around. At SFW, same thing, with his best win against a shopworn Barrera. He really didn't do much in LW other than Diaz and Casamayor and he would never be considered great at WW.

His signature W is his KO of Manny in his fourth fight, and that was fantastic. He was an underdog and won. But you also can't overlook the shadow of Memo. Anyone who works with him is suspect.

For me, when I look at these questions, without a doubt when I look at the culmination of their careers, these three fighters stood out over the course of 15+ years. Its no shame if the only people you could make an honest statement that were better was Floyd and Manny. If of your contemporaries only two rise above you in a crowded field, then that's impressive.

I'm more concerned that in this current gen - I don't see any genuine HOF fighters. This new generation of "waiting for the right time" and "if the money is right" has fights being delayed or ducked or happening way past their expiration dates. What happened to trilogies and great wars - they don't happen anymore, except against fringe fighters trying to get dates on Univision. How can anyone build a HOF legacy in today's climate? All these promotional outfits will need to either die or merge for this climate to evaporate.

Of the list - Bradley; he missed a key fight in Kahn at the height of its importance, but he has a few other solid wins under his belt. If he took on Kell Brook, Garcia, Kahn and Porter and escaped 2-2 or 3-1 - I'd definitely reconsider.

Ward - man, no good wins since 2011 - missed out essentially on prime years. 168 is dead right now except for Froch. I think he needs to go to 175 and clean houseand even there, it's dying except for the killer Kov.Stevenson is eh and will be knocked off soon enough, but that would be a good win. I do like Fonfara and think that's a good win. I don't think he's big enough for cruiserweight so going up there, I wouldn't expect, so if he goes to 175 and cleans out the top 3-4 guys, then for sure, one of which is an absolute monster and the rest are solid.

Everyone else is just building...too early.

[JmH Reborn]

Ok let's take the Pac win away.

Marquez was what? 40? casamayor? honestly? The rest are all extremely average and no way worthy of HOF recognition.

I like Bradley, he's a fighting man. But he's not HOF (yet),

I agree-the Casa fight was shameful all around. For Bradley to take and TR to make.

Casa belonged in a nursing home at that point. They took advantage of that guy, knowing full well he'd get crushed and probably just needed a payday.

There is shopworn, what JMM was/is at 40 and then full blown washed up, which is what Casa was. It was sad that fight was made. I certainly wouldn't argue that it was Bradley's highlights because that looks bad.

At to further the point - I like Bradley overall and I am one of the few that think the first Pac fight was a draw.(NSB, don't kill me). Pac fought for 30 seconds per round, while Bradley worked the duration of each round. That's gotta count. Those late round flurries don't win you fights. Sorry Pac.

[Divine Hammer]

wladimir easily
guillermo rigondeaux easily - two time gold medalist, one of the best amateurs of all time, one of the best 122 lb fighter of all time
miguel cotto
marquez - but i think he might not get in (or be taken out) once its found out he abused steroids

[lefthook2daliva]

Marquez and Tarver are steroid cheats, they should be scratched off any list.

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