Do you think Wlad would have kept this long unbeaten run with proper officiating?

[!! Shawn]

That Sig is marvelous!!

Thanks mate!

[LacedUp]

I think you should rewatch that fight...

Povetkin was falling into his arms and waist, to be fair Wlad held him up a few times lmao.

He did clinch a ****load, but Povetkin encouraged him even more.. by consistently falling into him

That was literally the worst fight i've EVER seen. EVER. And I've seen Henri Akinwande fight. There's literally no chance of me ever going through the torture of watching the first round again, nevermind the whole fight!

GTFO with that fanboy bullshyt. It was ALL Wlad's fault. Watch this:

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It's pathetic to even suggest that a true fighting man like Povetkin who was trying to throw punches, was at fault for the disgusting holding, leaning, clinching, pushing, throwing (not punches), Wlad did. Wlad clinched 180 times in that fight. 180 TIMES! He only landed 139 shots! Absolute disgrace.

with a couple warnings I doubt very much that wlad have kept it up.hes no golota in the iq department. he actually made the fight longer than it had to be with all the clinching as he was hurting povetkin every time he touched him

And if my aunt had balls, she'd be my uncle.

I don't deal with ifs and buts. Wlad should have been disqualified by the 4th round.

[bojangles1987]

LOL at people trying to brush off Wlad's clinching against Povetkin. Yet those same people are in every Ward thread b*tching about 80 clinches against Kessler or the far less he has in his other fights.

Nearly 200 is cool though. And Wlad clinching more than 40 times in 5 rounds against Pulev doesn't matter. How dare Floyd Mayweather clinch like 15 times in a fight doe!

[LacedUp]

LOL at people trying to brush off Wlad's clinching against Povetkin. Yet those same people are in every Ward thread b*tching about 80 clinches against Kessler or the far less he has in his other fights.

Nearly 200 is cool though. And Wlad clinching more than 40 times in 5 rounds against Pulev doesn't matter. How dare Floyd Mayweather clinch like 15 times in a fight doe!

Klitschko has fans that are so pathetic they try and blame Povetkin for the fight.

One of them pointed out to me once: "Well eh, if you look at Povetkin in 1:30 of the 12th round he holds for 3 seconds" -> "Yeah mother****a, if you've been leaned on by a 6'6 250lbs guy for 11½ rounds, you would probably feel it too!"

It's povetkin's fault doe

[Elroy1]

LacedUp there is NOTHING more pathetic than your endless hatred and relentless smear campaign against the Klitschko's.

Your a joke mate, plain and simple!

[LacedUp]

LacedUp there is NOTHING more pathetic than your endless hatred and relentless smear campaign against the Klitschko's.

Your a joke mate, plain and simple!

Does "Ali loses KO1, he's a woman beater" ring any bells?

How does it feel to love a man so much that you are in denial of reality? That's some twisted shit.

[Rip Chudd]

Yes, they are absolutely different. Ward works brilliantly from the clinch and his opponents are often the ones actually holding because they can't fight inside like he can. Rarely does Andre just hold to freeze the action and people that can't see that are just not educated in the sport.

Wlad does what Hopkins does, and worse. He'll hit and hold, and also just hold when he isn't entirely comfortable with the positioning. People who don't actually watch Wlad fight think he does this in every fight and only takes decisions. Absolutely not true. He often blasts guys senseless. These shows of skill and are the reason I think he could do without the clinching and why I get frustrated with him. It's also why he and Vitali were completely different fighters, despite the stereotype.

It's no use man. Fools on this site don't know the sport and don't want to learn. They have no idea the difference between "holding" and "clinching". Heck just look at the comments. It's freaking pathetic.

[Elroy1]

Does "Ali loses KO1, he's a woman beater" ring any bells?

How does it feel to love a man so much that you are in denial of reality? That's some twisted shit.

Yeah those both ring a couple of bells.

One was a simple mistake and the first one was an objective analysis against .

I don't know how it feels to love a man so much your in denial of reality but I'm sure you could tell me all about it.

It probably feels like hundreds of little pin pricks on your arm right? Like getting your heroes face tattooed on your arm yeah?

[sunny31]

To people referencing Floyd, Ward, etc as equals to Wlad in terms of bending the rules. I put in my first post that there have been many, many fighters that have taken liberties with the rules down the years, fighters have lots of idiosyncrasies that they use to gain an advantage (I could honestly name tonnes), but in my opinion no one has taken it to Wlad's level so consistently and blatantly. I have nothing against Wlad, but I think he gains too much of an advantage by it, he relies on the tactic, and uses it in every round of every fight. I don't think you can say that about the other two aforementioned fighters. I am not a particular fan of any of these 3 guys, I am just calling it how I see it.

The tying up from stopping fighters to work is one thing, but the fact that he leans on his opponent and puts his weight on them makes it even worse. You can't even say that is a defensive tactic. He climbs all over them, and wears them down. I think this just gives the impression of a lack of skills, he should be stopped from doing this the first time he does it in a fight, its crazy that the referees don't clamp down on this. You actually don't get to see what the other fighter truly has to offer, and doing it against a dangerous opponent like Povetkin is one thing, but Wlad does this even against C class fighters where he shouldn't have to.

[Crazylegs77]

Remember that when analyzing the next Ward fight.

Exactly.

Never ceases to amaze me how people cannot accurately observe any wrongdoing by one of their favorite fighters. Yet are totally on point in topics on other fighters.