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Yeah I don't think it affects the outcomes of his fights, I agree on that front. Although sometimes it makes his fights a little more unattractive than they need to be. Kessler I felt he crossed the line a bit there. But Wlad takes it to another level completely and it really is affecting the other fighter as he is putting weight on them and pulling them to the ground, sometimes he is literally grabbing the other fighters arms whilst they are punching, even from the outside, if he misses a punch of his own and is off balance which happens nearly every time he misses a punch he grabs, up close grabs, he is the only fighter I have seen who routinely grabs without even throwing a punch, it masks lots of deficiencies. It is just a bit too much, and needed to be cracked down on a long time ago.
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I'd guess not. Someone would have tripped him up. He does it for a reason.Comment
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Yes, they are absolutely different. Ward works brilliantly from the clinch and his opponents are often the ones actually holding because they can't fight inside like he can. Rarely does Andre just hold to freeze the action and people that can't see that are just not educated in the sport.
Wlad does what Hopkins does, and worse. He'll hit and hold, and also just hold when he isn't entirely comfortable with the positioning. People who don't actually watch Wlad fight think he does this in every fight and only takes decisions. Absolutely not true. He often blasts guys senseless. These shows of skill and are the reason I think he could do without the clinching and why I get frustrated with him. It's also why he and Vitali were completely different fighters, despite the stereotype.Comment
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Its like you're all delusional. You could EASILY say the exact same thing about mayweather and ward!!!
Please watch Kessler/Ward. Biggest BS fight of all time, ward headbutts and hold alll day!! Stop just stopLast edited by jmrf4435; 06-19-2015, 07:08 PM.Comment
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Ranting doesn't bolster your argument. The fact that you used Ward/Kassler as your example tells me that you really don't know the science or what was going on in that fight. Just because you like action fighters doesn't mean you can ignorantly lump everyone else into one group. There's big differences in the 3 you named. You don't have to like them but, you'd do yourself a favor to be able to tell the differences.Comment
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With proper officiating he would have been forced into retirement before age 30 after being KO'd a half dozen times.Comment
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"Ranting doesn't bolster your argument. The fact that you used Ward/Kassler as your example tells me that you really don't know the science or what was going on in that fight. Just because you like action fighters doesn't mean you can ignorantly lump everyone else into one group. There's big differences in the 3 you named. You don't have to like them but, you'd do yourself a favor to be able to tell the differences."
My point stems from the fact that the OP is going out of his way to criticize Wlad klitschko about his holding and thus attributing his undefeated record to the use of holding. When if you really think about it Floyd utilizes the hold just as much when he fights, especially on the inside. Floyd certainly used the hold against guys like Pac and Marquez. I think floyd uses the hold to take away momentum from a fighter in the same way Wlad does.
Ward held Kessler 88 times during their 12 round fight, 88 times. I could easily argue that Ward is reluctant to fight outside of the U.S. becaue he wouldn't be able to implement the strategy as easily...he also used the headbutt as a punch through out.Last edited by jmrf4435; 06-19-2015, 07:39 PM.Comment
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"Ranting doesn't bolster your argument. The fact that you used Ward/Kassler as your example tells me that you really don't know the science or what was going on in that fight. Just because you like action fighters doesn't mean you can ignorantly lump everyone else into one group. There's big differences in the 3 you named. You don't have to like them but, you'd do yourself a favor to be able to tell the differences."
My point stems from the fact that the OP is going out of his way to criticize Wlad klitschko about his holding and thus attributing his undefeated record to the use of holding. When if you really think about it Floyd utilizes the hold just as much when he fights, especially on the inside. Floyd certainly used the hold against guys like Pac and Marquez. I think floyd uses the hold to take away momentum from a fighter in the same way Wlad does.
Ward held Kessler 88 times during their 12 round fight, 88 times. I could easily argue that Ward is reluctant to fight outside of the U.S. becaue he wouldn't be able to implement the strategy as easily...he also used the headbutt as a punch through out.Comment
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- THe only time Wladimir ever had a performance that could have been DQ'd was vs Povetkin.
- Against Povetkin he was not warned propely and, had he been (proper officiating) he would not have continued to hold as much.
- Inbetween the holding, Wladimir dominantly beat Povetkin.
- Alexander Povetkin was atleast as responsible for the clinching as was Wladimir.
- In light of the above, Wladimir still wins this fight, and all others too.
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