You know, golovkin is getting pretty close to breaking Wilfredo Gomez's record

[just the facts]

GGG really needs to go out and buy a bling cap ASAP. Also wouldnt hurt if he started training outside in direct sunlight in an aluminum foil covered ring while covered in oil to accelerate a dark tan.

or he could start fighting A list opposition

[just the facts]

I am a Golovkin fan (I don't understand how anyone that likes boxing wouldn't be) and I would be disappointed if he fought someone in that Monroe, Heiland, Johnson group. However, what if nobody else wants to fight him? Then should he just sit out and wait until next year? Even if he moves up, who at 168 really wants a piece of him this fall?

All of this might be true, but if ggg ever wants to be included in the discussion of great fighter, he needs to step up his level of competition. At 33, the clocks ticking.

[just the facts]

Then what is your point? They are fighters moving up that have been previously ranked within the top 20's and faced some good opposition. Rosado held a #1 IBF JMW ranking and could've fought for a title but instead decided to go up and fight Golovkin.

Who had Rod Salka fought before Garcia? What was his rankings in other divisions?

Shut the hell up, fool.

The difference is that besides Salka, Garcia also has Mattessye, Peterson, Khan, Morales and Judah on his resume. Any of these fighters are head and shoulders above anyone ggg has fought. See the difference

[New England]

or he could start fighting A list opposition

people say this as if it was golovkin's plan to have cotto, alvarez, and martinez avoid him.

[New England]

But Ward deserves no share of the blame because he wants tune up fights before even talking about a GGG fight? As for Cotto, I don't give a **** if he was 5 feet tall and 98 pounds. He holds the MIDDLEWEIGHT WBC AND RING TITLES and Golovkin is his legitimate MANDATORY challenger. Either he fights GGG or he vacates his title. And GGG in no way, shape or form is trying to fight Mayweather. You must be one of those people who took that TMZ video of Oscar to be 100% serious as well.

And yeah, it's time you actually recognize things for what they really are, not for what fools try to spin them into.

again, you did this in another thread like a child. i think it's my avatar. i haven't had those things turned on in years.

you can go ahead and read my posts concerning andre ward, if you'd like.

as for golovkin trying to fight floyd mayweather, here you go:



he's not trying to get the most lucritive fight in the world for him in spite of the fact that he's saying he wants it, and it is the most lucrative possible fight


you're probably some dude i bufu'd in another thread. continue to look at my andre ward avatar and respond to it like a child. that's what all the top posters do when they see me.

[HeroBando]

again, you did this in another thread like a child. i think it's my avatar. i haven't had those things turned on in years.

you can go ahead and read my posts concerning andre ward, if you'd like.

as for golovkin trying to fight floyd mayweather, here you go:



he's not trying to get the most lucritive fight in the world for him in spite of the fact that he's saying he wants it, and it is the most lucrative possible fight


you're probably some dude i bufu'd in another thread. continue to look at my andre ward avatar and respond to it like a child. that's what all the top posters do when they see me.

Whats the most lucrative fight, Ward? So wheres the offer, so we can judge how lucrative? Not even Roc Nation wants to bid on it, nm Hbo

[aldo5408]

Whats the most lucrative fight, Ward? So wheres the offer, so we can judge how lucrative? Not even Roc Nation wants to bid on it, nm Hbo

Yea I have to agree right now the fight that is most lucrative for both is each other ward vs ggg

[HeroBando]

Yea I have to agree right now the fight that is most lucrative for both is each other ward vs ggg

Wheres the money coming from? I see zero on the table. Thats not lucrative

[techliam]

gomez, IIRC, was the lineal champion [the soul, recognized champion.]

i know that the WBA / WBC had fractured the world championship belt by the 70's, but i'm pretty sure that gomez established legitimate lineage and was ring mag champion when he beat the korean bloke for the 122 lb title.


golovkin is an alphabet soup champion. he's the best fighter at 160 according to anybody with a working set of eyeballs, but he's not the legit champ.

the legit champ is miguel cotto. he beat martinez. martinez beat pavlik. pavlik beat taylor. taylor beat hopkins. you can't get a more lineal champion than bernard hopkins at MW. dude was the definition of lineage, which he established when he boxed off for a vacant lineage against tito trinidad in '01.

Yeah this post accurately deals with the original post. Comparing the whole recognised championship to Golovkin's single belt is a bit weird. But 'title defences' barely mean anything, and hardly did back then (take Joe Louis for example) unless those defences meant something themselves.

As a HUGE tangent though, I find the idea of championship inherently flawed. The idea that one, as a (lineal) champion, is better (or even more comparable to past fighters) than a guy who is practically the consensus best of the division, just because he is the (lineal) champion seems absurd to me.

Its a flawed system, as championships can never really follow consensus indefinitely. The lineal system is far better than the ABC titles, as it follows consensus much more often, but I don't believe it should be taken at face value alone as it often fails too. GGG/Cotto, Huck/Hernandez are prime examples, but even ones such as Gonzales/Estrada provoke some discussion.

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