You know, golovkin is getting pretty close to breaking Wilfredo Gomez's record

[T18Z]

When did I ever mention something about Garcia? Go back re-read and see that I never typed the word "Garcia".

Ishida & Rosado campaigned at 154 lbs. But if that's a "good defense" for GGG for you than... well thats you.

Are you still trying to save face?

My comment was a direct reply to someone saying how can you criticize Garcia and Santa Cruz yet not complain about Golovkin fighting "bad" fighters. I said nobody on Golovkins resume from his HBO debut is anywhere close to Rod Salka or any of Santa Cruz recent opposition and he's been fighting top 10-20 fighters throughout.

You then decided to shove your fat head into the conversation and tried insinuating Rosado and Ishida were on the level of Salka, to which I shot you down.

Just. Stop. Replying.

[-PBP-]

gomez, IIRC, was the lineal champion [the soul, recognized champion.]

i know that the WBA / WBC had fractured the world championship belt by the 70's, but i'm pretty sure that gomez established legitimate lineage and was ring mag champion when he beat the korean bloke for the 122 lb title.


golovkin is an alphabet soup champion. he's the best fighter at 160 according to anybody with a working set of eyeballs, but he's not the legit champ.

the legit champ is miguel cotto. he beat martinez. martinez beat pavlik. pavlik beat taylor. taylor beat hopkins. you can't get a more lineal champion than bernard hopkins at MW. dude was the definition of lineage, which he established when he boxed off for a vacant lineage against tito trinidad in '01.

You can't penalize GGG for that. The champion/contender model is supposed to be 1 champion who is required to defend against the #1 contender. GGG has been the #1 contender for a while but can't get these reigning champions in the ring with him.

[bigjavi973]

Are you still trying to save face?

My comment was a direct reply to someone saying how can you criticize Garcia and Santa Cruz yet not complain about Golovkin fighting "bad" fighters. I said nobody on Golovkins resume from his HBO debut is anywhere close to Rod Salka or any of Santa Cruz recent opposition and he's been fighting top 10-20 fighters throughout.

You then decided to shove your fat head into the conversation and tried insinuating Rosado and Ishida were on the level of Salka, to which I shot you down.

Just. Stop. Replying.

I know what you wrote.

Garcia fought somebody ranked like 80th, Rod Salka doe Santa Cruz is the same.

Golovkin has been fighting nothing but top 10 or top 20 fighters consistently since his HBO debut.

Grow up.

Salka was actually ranked 30 something at a weight class below Garcia by boxrec (since you are bringing up the rankings so I replied)
I even bolded the part. Rosado wasn't a highly ranked JMW (41 ranked SWW btw). Not ranked at all at 160. Ishida has two straight losses at 154 right before the GGG fight (ranked 219 at SWW).


Fuck outta here with the nonsense.

[HeroBando]

I know what you wrote.



I even bolded the part. Rosado wasn't a highly ranked JMW. Not ranked at all at 160. Ishida has two straight losses at 154 right before the GGG fight. He was "highly" ranked as well?

Fuck outta here with the nonsense.

Wrong as usual. Ishida's 4 fights prior were:

Pirog at 160
PWill at 155
Bum at MW
Kirkland at 157

[New England]

You can't penalize GGG for that. The champion/contender model is supposed to be 1 champion who is required to defend against the #1 contender. GGG has been the #1 contender for a while but can't get these reigning champions in the ring with him.

i'm not sure if you're mentioning that to the thread, or me specifically.

golovkin cannot be punished because he is avoided at middleweight by alvarez or by cotto. he can't be punished because he was avoided by martinez, either.

we still can't call him the lineal champion. i'd love to. believe me. he's the best fighter in that division.


he should receive some criticism for his apparent unwillingness to fight andre ward, particularly as he tries to fight cotto and mayweather, who are markedly smaller guys. i understand that they box for money, but we need to recognize these things for what they are.

alvarez and golovkin are pretty close in size, and alvarez has technically been a middleweight for a while now.

[bigjavi973]

Wrong as usual. Ishida's 4 fights prior were:

Pirog at 160
PWill at 155
Bum at MW
Kirkland at 157

I was wrong when I said that Ishida had two losses before fighting GGG? because that's what I mentioned. He weighed 153.5 for the Pwilliams fight & 158 for the pirog fight duh. That's not what I mentioned. Ishida didn't even deserve that WBO title shot and you know it.

[T18Z]

I know what you wrote.



Salka was actually ranked 30 something at a weight class below Garcia by boxrec (since you are bringing up the rankings so I replied)
I even bolded the part. Rosado wasn't a highly ranked JMW (41 ranked SWW btw). Not ranked at all at 160. Ishida has two straight losses at 154 right before the GGG fight (ranked 219 at SWW).


Fuck outta here with the nonsense.

Rosado was ranked #1 JMW by the IBF before his fight with Golovkin. You're an idiot as usual. Just stop, please

"after a trio of emphatic victories at 154, Gabriel Rosado gave up his #1 ranking as a junior middleweight for the opportunity to challenge middleweight champion Gennady Golovkin on HBO"

Once again, Ishida and Rosado > miles better than any of Cruz recent opponents or Rod Salka.

Log off.

[The Big Dunn]

Lol now compare their resumes and have yourself a few laughs. Hahahahaha

If he fights 40 more times, he can break Julio Caesar Chavez Sr.'s recording of beating 71 Tijuana taxi drivers in a row before fighting a quality opponent.

So what? He is just doing what is excepted of him in putting away C and D level fighters.

[Barcham]

Fighters deciding to move up? Your point?

You trying to say Rosado and Ishida aren't miles better than Rod Salka in any ranking system? You're a moron, for sure. I've heard it all now

They moved up to fight and lose to GGG so now they are bums, always were bums and always will be bums. But Cotto was the image of courage in moving up to fight a crippled Sergio and even if he had lost, Javi would still be saying what a great, courageous move Cotto made to move up and challenge such a great champion as Martinez. But if Martinez had fought GGG instead and gotten utterly annihilated, Golovkin would have been portrayed as a bully who was picking on an injured, ready to retire valiant champion.

It's all on how you twist things.

[Barcham]

i'm not sure if you're mentioning that to the thread, or me specifically.

golovkin cannot be punished because he is avoided at middleweight by alvarez or by cotto. he can't be punished because he was avoided by martinez, either.

we still can't call him the lineal champion. i'd love to. believe me. he's the best fighter in that division.


he should receive some criticism for his apparent unwillingness to fight andre ward, particularly as he tries to fight cotto and mayweather, who are markedly smaller guys. i understand that they box for money, but we need to recognize these things for what they are.

alvarez and golovkin are pretty close in size, and alvarez has technically been a middleweight for a while now.

But Ward deserves no share of the blame because he wants tune up fights before even talking about a GGG fight? As for Cotto, I don't give a **** if he was 5 feet tall and 98 pounds. He holds the MIDDLEWEIGHT WBC AND RING TITLES and Golovkin is his legitimate MANDATORY challenger. Either he fights GGG or he vacates his title. And GGG in no way, shape or form is trying to fight Mayweather. You must be one of those people who took that TMZ video of Oscar to be 100% serious as well.

And yeah, it's time you actually recognize things for what they really are, not for what fools try to spin them into.