Comments Thread For: Andre Ward: Golovkin Has Had 8 or 9 Different Excuses

[Eastcoast]

"The Froch fight is too difficult to make"
"Kovalev doesn't make financial sense" (But somehow Paul Smith does make sense...)

All I hear from you is a bunch of excuses as to why Ward don't step up.

Here is Ward's next opponent, I'm sure you'll get excited :

Now see how silly your statement sounds in defense for your hero.

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There you have it - Ward has spoken for the record again!!!!

Team GGG can't be running around trying to fight Chavez and Froch and then when Ward's name gets mentioned, start fumbling and stuttering while making excuses.

If both Cotto and Canelo are unwilling to fight GGG, then there's no legitimate reason not to accept Ward's challenge.

What challenge? Has Ward issues a challenge? Have his people approached K2 or HBO with an offer for a fight? Not that I am aware.

As the winner of the Super Six and Olympic Gold medalist, Ward has more right to talk than anyone between 160lbs and 175lbs. Because I can't think of anyone within that range that can equal Ward's accomplishments.

In spite of Ward's contractual disputes that kept him sidelined, he is still the current Lineal/WBA(Super) super-middleweight champion, and former WBC super-middleweight champion.

Someone show me another between 160lbs and 175lbs that has those accomplishments.

And what exactly has Ward done since the Super Six 5 years ago? Not a damn thing. He and his fans cannot continually use the Super Six tournament as evidence of Ward's quality as a fighter forever, you know? The accomplishments of that time are long gone and no longer carry any weight in the boxing world. Time for some new fights and challenges.

Cotto can make more money by fighting Canelo. It simply makes more financial sense.

Accept it or don't bring up market share and money ever again.

I have no trouble with Cotto fighting Canelo as long as he accepts his obligations first and either defends against his mandatory or vacates his title. Preferably I would like him to vacate as it would be more of a massacre than a boxing match if GGG ever gets Cotto in the ring.


Oh one thing I keep forgetting to mention... I've noticed a few people in this thread mention that GGG needs a fight against Ward or similar opponent to move him to top 5 P4P... well you should start checking out those lists in their current form. You will discover that GGG is already top 5 on most of them with any value, he is number 4 on the RING list, while Ward is nowhere to be seen. GGG doesn't need Ward, it is the other way around.

[ИATAS]

"The Lara fight is too difficult to make"
"Ward doesn't make financial sense" (But somehow Monroe Jr does make sense...)

All I hear from you is a bunch of excuses as to why GGG don't step up.

Here is GGG's next opponent, I'm sure you'll get excited :

Are you pretending there isn't an issue with Al Haymon/PBC and HBO? It's the reality, man. That's why we aren't seeing Lomachenko vs Santa Cruz or Kovalev vs Stevenson, etc. Any fighter with HBO isn't fighting any PBC fighter in case you haven't noticed. This isn't limited to Lara and Golovkin, it's all of them including Golovkin vs Jacobs and Quillin.

No one here who is a fan of Golovkin is scared of Lara lol. It's truly a mismatch and a fight Lara would get hurt. I actually want the fight to happen only to show the 13 people on NSB who actually believe Lara would do good what I mean by mismatch. The difference in size/power would be apparent immediately.

Regardless, unfortunately Haymon and HBO aren't doing business which is a shame there are a lot of fights that can't and haven't been made as a result of this beef.

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"The Lara fight is too difficult to make"
"Ward doesn't make financial sense" (But somehow Monroe Jr does make sense...)

All I hear from you is a bunch of excuses as to why GGG don't step up.

Here is GGG's next opponent, I'm sure you'll get excited :

And people wonder why I put so many on my ignore list. You idiots simply do not know how to read or you have zero comprehension skills.

Yes, a Lara fight is very difficult to make. The reasons which have been explained in this and many other threads over and over for you fools who cannot understand basic English. I will not bother going over it again for someone who is obviously too ****** to understand.

And why are you including a picture of Smith? He is Ward's next opponent, not GGG's.

[Jewish-Reptile]

Wait, what? Against guys his own size? Your seriously saying Golovkin isn't fighting guys his own size?



And you had Golovkin losing "losing round upon rounds"? Lol the fight ended in round 6 in a fight where Monroe was dropped twice in round 2. So basically you had Monroe winning two rounds in a fight he was knocked down 4 times and TKO'd? Damn this Golovkin guy sucks!

This is a pic taken right off of the scales, lmao your gonna bring a photo of two guys weighing exactly the same weight more than 24 hours before the fight ? Everybody on the forum knows GGG comes in significantly heavier fight night and spars Kovalev yes KOVALEV you know the guy who has to trim down to 175 before his fights ! This same Sergey Kovalev has said on record how hard GGG punches and pushes him in training.

Honestly,what are you going on about? Losing rounds upon rounds against Monroe? Golovkin was untouchable in rounds 1 and 2,especially when he landed that left in the second,which made Monroe forget his own name. In rounds 3 and 4 he let his foot of the gas pedal,and Monroe could only touch his with little pitter patter punches. Rounds 5 and 6 he picked up the pace again and made the guy quit. Arguably Monroe won 1 round out of 6,and you're spouting nonsense about him reaching his ceiling, and not lasting 1 round with an elite fighter?

So to clarify, GGG losing rounds is him taking his foot off gas, right ? Did you see how hard his ass was blowing between rounds ? That to me didnt look like a guy cruising rounds, he was struggling. Keep hiding, Ward just call you all suckers and laughed,I'm laughing too.

This is enjoyable.

What fights exactly has Golovkin avoided? Has he been offered any kind of fight, ever, against a top 5 or top 10 p4p fighter? He hasn't. There had never been an offer from Ward who hasn't fought the past two years, there hasn't been an offer from anyone else. What we've had is a guy in Lara who is with Haymon say he'd like to fight Golovkin but nothing was offered and we have Ward saying he'd fight Golovkin but nothing was ever offered. Golovkin can't avoid guys he hasn't been able to fight. He reached out to Sturm, Martinez, Cotto, Canelo, Froch and Chavez. Not a whole lot more he can do here other than fight who is available and willing.

Reaching out, is that what you call it ? Saying you will fight a p4p ranked super middle and his promoter stating they haven't heard anything regarding an offer is not reaching out. Whilst avoiding the guys who will openly face and chasing the guys who have openly stated they won't fight him is not pursuing the fights the fans want to see.

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This is a pic taken right off of the scales, lmao your gonna bring a photo of two guys weighing exactly the same weight more than 24 hours before the fight ? Everybody on the forum knows GGG comes in significantly heavier fight night and spars Kovalev yes KOVALEV you know the guy who has to trim down to 175 before his fights ! This same Sergey Kovalev has said on record how hard GGG punches and pushes him in training.

Lol are you serious? Use a picture from in the ring, I don't care. Monroe weighed more than Golovkin - he rehydrated to 174 pounds. Golovkin 172. Please try again.

Here are some pics of Golovkin against "smaller" Monroe:

Reaching out, is that what you call it ? Saying you will fight a p4p ranked super middle and his promoter stating they haven't heard anything regarding an offer is not reaching out. Whilst avoiding the guys who will openly face and chasing the guys who have openly stated they won't fight him is not pursuing the fights the fans want to see.

You didn't answer the question. Who has Golovkin avoided exactly?

He isn't pursuing fights fans want to see, what are you talking about? He's tried to fight Chavez which is the definition of a fight for the fans, he's tried to fight Froch, Sergio Martinez and Canelo. I guess you can try to fault Golovkin for wanting to fight Cotto whom Golovkin is mandatory to but he's a middleweight champion and lineal champ, it's the goal of most all fighters to unify and become the best in their own division. Who are these guys the fans want to see Golovkin fight?

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This is a pic taken right off of the scales, lmao your gonna bring a photo of two guys weighing exactly the same weight more than 24 hours before the fight ? Everybody on the forum knows GGG comes in significantly heavier fight night and spars Kovalev yes KOVALEV you know the guy who has to trim down to 175 before his fights ! This same Sergey Kovalev has said on record how hard GGG punches and pushes him in training.



So to clarify, GGG losing rounds is him taking his foot off gas, right ? Did you see how hard his ass was blowing between rounds ? That to me didnt look like a guy cruising rounds, he was struggling. Keep hiding, Ward just call you all suckers and laughed,I'm laughing too.

This is enjoyable.



Reaching out, is that what you call it ? Saying you will fight a p4p ranked super middle and his promoter stating they haven't heard anything regarding an offer is not reaching out. Whilst avoiding the guys who will openly face and chasing the guys who have openly stated they won't fight him is not pursuing the fights the fans want to see.

I was wondering how long it would take for you to show up in this thread. You are one of the leaders of the throw crap at GGG movement.

Well Golovkin has not sparred with Kovalev for a very long time, probably well over a year, maybe two. So your entire first paragraph is meaningless and shows that you DKSAB.

Your second paragraph... I hope that potential opponents feel exactly the same as you do. Maybe it will convince them to sign a contract to fight GGG. Other than that, it is worth about the same as the first paragraph.

What would you call the approach they made to Froch and the acknowledgement of it by Hearn? I call it reaching out in the goal of setting up a fight. This is many levels above some JrMW having his manager make tweets instead of contacting K2 or HBO and try to get a deal done. I know you cannot be talking about Ward because he is no longer a P4P ranked fighter on any reputable list so you must be talking about Froch.

And who are these guys who are openly ready to fight GGG? Where is the evidence of them approaching HBO or K2 with offers?

[arraamis]

What challenge? Has Ward issues a challenge? Have his people approached K2 or HBO with an offer for a fight? Not that I am aware.

And what exactly has Ward done since the Super Six 5 years ago? Not a damn thing. He and his fans cannot continually use the Super Six tournament as evidence of Ward's quality as a fighter forever, you know? The accomplishments of that time are long gone and no longer carry any weight in the boxing world. Time for some new fights and challenges.

Don't put your selective memory on display when you post! It was Team GGG that issued the challenge and when Ward stated an interest, it was Team GGG that chose to ignore and contradict what they stated.

Even with Ward being sidelined for all those years, still no one within the range I stated has matched or exceeded what he accomplished. For you to state that, that accomplishment was five years ago, only gives substance to what I've written. In over FIVE years, no one still has matched what Ward accomplished. So, if we're going to be selective on one end then its only fair to elevate the other end. Since Ward has been on the shelf for two+ years then that should be easy work for GGG.

Why won't GGG man-up and back-up all the crap spoken on his behalf. Of are they being selective when they mention that they will fight anyone up to 168lbs -- Meaning they exclude Ward.

I have no trouble with Cotto fighting Canelo as long as he accepts his obligations first and either defends against his mandatory or vacates his title. Preferably I would like him to vacate as it would be more of a massacre than a boxing match if GGG ever gets Cotto in the ring.
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I am unwavering in my support for GGG in regards to Cotto and his unwillingness to fight true MW's for the title that he has taken hostage. GGG is the mandatory challenger (Has been for awhile) and should get the fight with Cotto next or Cotto should be forced to vacate .... PERIOD!!!
Cotto can go off beltless and fight anyone he wants to, but if he is going to remain the belt-holder, then he has to fight GGG.

There's really nothing to discuss in this regard ......

That is a totally separate issue from the Ward one. My issue with Team GGG is that they are willing to fight Froch\Chavez but at the same time are unwilling to fight Ward at 168lbs. I don't care how long Ward has been sidelined, he is stating for the record that the fight can be made now.

So, what is Team GGG's response going to be??

[Jewish-Reptile]

You didn't answer the question. Who has Golovkin avoided exactly?

He isn't pursuing fights fans want to see, what are you talking about? He's tried to fight Chavez which is the definition of a fight for the fans, he's tried to fight Froch, Sergio Martinez and Canelo. I guess you can try to fault Golovkin for wanting to fight Cotto whom Golovkin is mandatory to but he's a middleweight champion and lineal champ, it's the goal of most all fighters to unify and become the best in their own division. Who are these guys the fans want to see Golovkin fight?

The fans ie the actual boxing fans and not casuals want to see him in competitive fights, for instance someone who represents a challenge, take Ward and Froch, both have said theyll fight him but his promoters go mute when issued with 'make us an offer' it is truly pathetic Matchroom have been ducked by K2 and Loeffler.

Like it or not K2 or GGG possibly both are ducking being called out, instead they are chasing guarantees from JMW's for fights they have issues they have no interest in. At the fight last week you had Oscar ringside showing his interest in making the Ctto Canelo fight, their wasnt anyone of note from K2 there as they know those fights are non starters, instead they send GGG along to smile at the cameras and woo the fans to try pressure Cotto by sticking GGG in his fans face, they're reaching for a fight they know is not going to materialise, same with Canelo, using Kellerman to put pressure on him by sticking the name GGG right down his throat after his fights. They are getting desperate and it is showing, sooner or later GGG's fans and yourselves are gonna be backed into a corner whereby he has to face Ward or Froch, and duly his bubble will be burst.

GGG simply can not stick around fighting Tureano and Heiland it will not satisfy the paying customer, y'all can get wet at the thought Canelo will somehow feel forced into facing him but it ain't happening, time to wake up.

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Don't put your selective memory on display when you post! It was Team GGG that issued the challenge and when Ward stated an interest, it was Team GGG that chose to ignore and contradict what they stated.

Even with Ward being sidelined for all those years, still no one within the range I stated has matched or exceeded what he accomplished. For you to state that, that accomplishment was five years ago, only gives substance to what I've written. In over FIVE years, no one still has matched what Ward accomplished. So, if we're going to be selective on one end then its only fair to elevate the other end. Since Ward has been on the shelf for two+ years then that should be easy work for GGG.

Why won't GGG man-up and back-up all the crap spoken on his behalf. Of are they being selective when they mention that they will fight anyone up to 168lbs -- Meaning they exclude Ward.




I am unwavering in my support for GGG in regards to Cotto and his unwillingness to fight true MW's for the title that he has taken hostage. GGG is the mandatory challenger (Has been for awhile) and should get the fight with Cotto next or Cotto should be forced to vacate .... PERIOD!!!
Cotto can go off beltless and fight anyone he wants to, but if he is going to remain the belt-holder, then he has to fight GGG.

There's really nothing to discuss in this regard ......

That is a totally separate issue from the Ward one. My issue with Team GGG is that they are willing to fight Froch\Chavez but at the same time are unwilling to fight Ward at 168lbs. I don't care how long Ward has been sidelined, he is stating for the record that the fight can be made now.

So, what is Team GGG's response going to be??

Do you have evidence of GGG or his team challenging Ward? I am talking about a direct challenge, originating from GGG or his camp and not in response to any question from any member of the media, be it official media or one of the many YouTube based children with 'boxing shows'.

Do you have an official response from Ward or his team, that was made since he signed with Roc Nation, stating that Ward is ready and willing to fight GGG?

Do you have a plan to get HBO to accept Ward as a regular HBO opponent, not on PPV as we all know quite well that Ward is not a PPV draw and at this time neither is GGG. Do you have a plan to convince Ward to accept normal B side dollars for the fight as he is quite obviously not an A side fighter after spending 2 years sitting on his rear end?

Do you have evidence that Ward is still able to make 168 lbs for a SMW fight against GGG as his next fight will be at 172?

There are many question to answer before a GGG - Ward fight can even be considered but no one here seems to want to provide any solutions to these questions. Until you can provide them, please refrain from mentioning Ward in terms of a challenger to the best middleweight fighter in the world today.