May/Pac = SRL/Hagler?

[BrometheusBob.]

Exactly.......

lol @ suggesting May/Pac threads are annoying but having May/Pic gifs in your sig.

Can you imagine if someone walked around with a shirt making a clear statement about a topic and then they said something like "oh are you still talking about THAT" if you brought it up to them?

[BrometheusBob.]

Not a good comparison as that was an action packed fight where Leonard and Hagler landed about the same number of punches (not in slow mo). The Hagler-Leonard fight was a close fight, 115-113 or even 114-114. One judge gave Hagler the fight 115-113.

May-Pac was not close, no judge gave Pac more than 4 rounds and one of the judges who did give him 4 said he made a mistake and he probably only won 2 rounds.

And this has been put to bed for all but a few wackos, there is no serious debate going on as to who won the fight. After the Hagler-Leonard fight everyone in boxing was debating who won.

Yes he made a mistake where he happened to give the same two rounds to Pac that another judge did.

[b00g13man]

Yes he made a mistake where he happened to give the same two rounds to Pac that another judge did.

What's so amusing about this? Scoring it the other way brings his scorecard in-line with the 3rd judge.

[soul_survivor]

No because even today people will fight about the Leonard-Hagler decision.

In some ways you are correct, but that long running debate about the decision in that fight gave it something to hang its hat on because it was that sort of debatable fight.

Mayweather-Manny doesn't have anything going for it like that.

Well, theres a growing array of voices claiming that the fight was closer than the judges score cards and that Pacquiao may have won. Two notable former boxers said the same thing. I do not agree with them.

Nobody cares anymore, threads about this fight are seriously annoying at this point.

You don't have to read them.

I agree with Irondanhamza.

FWIW, Hagler was always my guy. I always hated SRL. I of course thought Hagler won and he got robbed. I still in my heart believe Hagler won. Today the only thing that really bothered me was the 118-110 score.

I've always given Hagler 4 rounds at most. I can't see why people think i twas close. Folk talk about Mayweather "masterclasses" on the back foot but SRL showed us what a true defensive masterclass is. He made Hagler, an elite level, ATG mw miss like an amateur.

Career low punching output, and punches landed. That plays over, and over, in my head.

In a fight where they pretty must charged us our rent to watch, they decided they would have a career low night. **** them both.

well...haha

I gave the Hagler - Leonard fight to Hagler. He was the champion and Leonard fought most of the fight going backwards. To my way of thinking, you have to TAKE the title from the champion and Leonard did not do that. Hagler was the aggressor for most of the fight and deserved the edge due to that and due to his being the reigning champion.

Being the aggressor isn't worth a damn if you can't land or land effectively. Watch the fight back, Hagler was swinging and missing like a mad man by the end cos he knew he wasn't even close to Leonard, the much smaller man with one fight in five years.

[The Gambler1981]

Well, theres a growing array of voices claiming that the fight was closer than the judges score cards and that Pacquiao may have won. Two notable former boxers said the same thing. I do not agree with them.



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There was no growing array (which I fail to see at all) with Leonard-Hagler it was always like that from the moment the fight ended.

Literally the boxing world was split from the moment the fight ended, not 2 out of like 200 like with this fight.

Not comparable at all.

[Barcham]

Well, theres a growing array of voices claiming that the fight was closer than the judges score cards and that Pacquiao may have won. Two notable former boxers said the same thing. I do not agree with them.



You don't have to read them.



I've always given Hagler 4 rounds at most. I can't see why people think i twas close. Folk talk about Mayweather "masterclasses" on the back foot but SRL showed us what a true defensive masterclass is. He made Hagler, an elite level, ATG mw miss like an amateur.



well...haha



Being the aggressor isn't worth a damn if you can't land or land effectively. Watch the fight back, Hagler was swinging and missing like a mad man by the end cos he knew he wasn't even close to Leonard, the much smaller man with one fight in five years.

I'm going from my memory of watching the fight live. There was no Internet back then and not even VCRs to record and playback a fight. So one view was all you got. No chance at second guessing or watching replays in slow motion. I will never give a runner the win when he is trying to win the title from the current champ. If Leonard had been the champion going into that fight, I would have no problem giving him the win as he defended well. But in my book it takes offense and aggression to take a title. You have to BEAT the champion to win his title, not avoid getting beaten.

But that's just me. Your opinion may vary and is just as valid.

[DeadLikeMe]

Well, I'll tell you what. Keep this up for another 20 or 30 years and maybe you will have 5% of boxing fans in agreement with you that Pacquiao won. Maybe in another 20-30 years after that you can have 10% of boxing fans convinced?

[Doctor_Tenma]

That comparison can only come from soneone who either didn't see both fights or doesn't know how analyze fights.

[Joe Beamish]

I still am not sure who won the Hagler/Leonard fight, it was so close. I've watched that fight at least 5 times. It's obvious that Leonard was gaming the judges with his little flurries of activity at the end of each round after a couple of minutes of pure running away. On the other hand, Hagler was totally unable to hurt Leonard or impose his will onto him, which he should have been able to do. Virtually nobody (except Roberto Duran) expected Leonard to do so well, or even survive. This too had to have swayed the judges.

Contrast this with Mayweather, who easily beat Pacquaio in EXACTLY the kind of fight that most of us expected. We all knew Pac would struggle to land meaningful blows on Floyd. We all knew Floyd would rack up the winning rounds and waltz off with a UD that nobody except the most ridiculous *******s could even begin to disagree with.

No drama, no action, no fun.

[soul_survivor]

I'm going from my memory of watching the fight live. There was no Internet back then and not even VCRs to record and playback a fight. So one view was all you got. No chance at second guessing or watching replays in slow motion. I will never give a runner the win when he is trying to win the title from the current champ. If Leonard had been the champion going into that fight, I would have no problem giving him the win as he defended well. But in my book it takes offense and aggression to take a title. You have to BEAT the champion to win his title, not avoid getting beaten.

But that's just me. Your opinion may vary and is just as valid.

I'd agree with you if Leonard simply "ran", running is what Dirrell does lol. SRL outboxed Hagler, he made him miss, made him pay and then was out of range again. Leonard was literally throwing out combinations of punches while on the move. His faded legs meant that he had to often fight with his back against the ropes and even then Hagler couldn't effectively control SRL.

Well, I'll tell you what. Keep this up for another 20 or 30 years and maybe you will have 5% of boxing fans in agreement with you that Pacquiao won. Maybe in another 20-30 years after that you can have 10% of boxing fans convinced?

Are you talking to me?

I still am not sure who won the Hagler/Leonard fight, it was so close. I've watched that fight at least 5 times. It's obvious that Leonard was gaming the judges with his little flurries of activity at the end of each round after a couple of minutes of pure running away. On the other hand, Hagler was totally unable to hurt Leonard or impose his will onto him, which he should have been able to do. Virtually nobody (except Roberto Duran) expected Leonard to do so well, or even survive. This too had to have swayed the judges.

Contrast this with Mayweather, who easily beat Pacquaio in EXACTLY the kind of fight that most of us expected. We all knew Pac would struggle to land meaningful blows on Floyd. We all knew Floyd would rack up the winning rounds and waltz off with a UD that nobody except the most ridiculous *******s could even begin to disagree with.

No drama, no action, no fun.

I agree, Floyd Mayweather won quite easily. I predicted he would (albeit in a better fight) some 2 years ago. Manny Pacquiao is fading and fading fast. the JMM KO was a huge dent to the great fighter.

I also always say, that SRL beat Hagler and did so quite easily. SRL had his way with the great middleweight. That's why I'm comparing to two fights. Yes the 80s match up had more action and was definitely more fun but in terms of clash of styles and dominance of victory(imo anyway), they couldn't be more similar. Not to mention the fight would have been better if it had taken place some 4 years earlier.