May/Pac = SRL/Hagler?

[The Big Dunn]

I agree with Irondanhamza.

FWIW, Hagler was always my guy. I always hated SRL. I of course thought Hagler won and he got robbed. I still in my heart believe Hagler won. Today the only thing that really bothered me was the 118-110 score.

[Barcham]

May/Pac was the greatest fight of the 2010s financially, but quality wise it was at the bottom of the barrel. It does not come close to any of the great fights of the 80s and does not deserve comparison with any of them. Watching Cotto destroy a drained Geale on Saturday was more entertaining than May/Pac was. For that matter, most PBC fights put it to shame as well and they are nothing special at all.

[Johnny2x2x]

I was reading an article which listed Ray Leonard's attempt at gaining the middleweight crown by defeating Marvin Hagler as one of the greatest superfights ever...I'm not sure if I'd agree with that. Yes it was a tremendous event at the time and it generated huge amounts of money but in reality, only one man was in control and looked like a winner. People claim it could have been Hagler's fight, no, hey say it should have been. I don't see it that way. Leonard was so good that night, he made Hagler look like an amateur, swinging wildly and missing. Maybe winning 4 rounds at most.

Does that sound familiar? To me it seems a lot like May/Pac. Years down the line, those who cry robbery or unfair win will have become louder. 20 years down the line, it may well be regarded as a fight Pacquiao should have gotten a decision in. In reality, Pacquiao, shoulder injury or not, didn't really come close to beating Mayweather (close 4th round not withstanding).

I'm surprised similarities haven't been drawn between the two super "fights" which were nothing more than mega events.

Not a good comparison as that was an action packed fight where Leonard and Hagler landed about the same number of punches (not in slow mo). The Hagler-Leonard fight was a close fight, 115-113 or even 114-114. One judge gave Hagler the fight 115-113.

May-Pac was not close, no judge gave Pac more than 4 rounds and one of the judges who did give him 4 said he made a mistake and he probably only won 2 rounds.

And this has been put to bed for all but a few wackos, there is no serious debate going on as to who won the fight. After the Hagler-Leonard fight everyone in boxing was debating who won.

[Larry the boss]

Nobody cares anymore, threads about this fight are seriously annoying at this point.

Exactly.......

[SeekDaGreat]

Career low punching output, and punches landed. That plays over, and over, in my head.

In a fight where they pretty must charged us our rent to watch, they decided they would have a career low night. **** them both.

[Fetta]

WARKhan!!

Wrong thread....WAR super fights

[Barcham]

Not a good comparison as that was an action packed fight where Leonard and Hagler landed about the same number of punches (not in slow mo). The Hagler-Leonard fight was a close fight, 115-113 or even 114-114. One judge gave Hagler the fight 115-113.

May-Pac was not close, no judge gave Pac more than 4 rounds and one of the judges who did give him 4 said he made a mistake and he probably only won 2 rounds.

And this has been put to bed for all but a few wackos, there is no serious debate going on as to who won the fight. After the Hagler-Leonard fight everyone in boxing was debating who won.

I gave the Hagler - Leonard fight to Hagler. He was the champion and Leonard fought most of the fight going backwards. To my way of thinking, you have to TAKE the title from the champion and Leonard did not do that. Hagler was the aggressor for most of the fight and deserved the edge due to that and due to his being the reigning champion.

[BrometheusBob.]

Drawing comparisons to SRL/Hagler seems unwarranted given the massive media and social media's negative reactions to the fight:

"Mayweather-Pacquiao was a complete waste of time and money"-USA Today

http://ftw.usatoday.com/2015/05/mayweather-pacquiao-compete-waste-of-time-money-boxing-is-dead-payout

"This was billed the Fight of the Century. As the Wall Street Journal so aptly put it, it's good that we have 85 years left to top it."-LA Times

http://www.latimes.com/sports/la-sp-mayweather-pacquiao-dwyre-20150504-column.html

etc etc.

As far as the debate about the decision, well I'd like to believe so but not sure enough significant boxing voices will agree for those debates to occur anywhere other than on these boxing forums.

[Ahmed_Ismail]

Hagler vs Leonard was a very very close fight and people who are impartial and people who are biased agree on the fact that it could've gone either way, the media that was covering the fight were split on the decision, 5 media outlets had Hagler winning, 6 had Leonard winning and 4 had it a draw, in the Mayweather vs Pacquiao fight this wasn't the case, 16 out of 18 media outlets had Mayweather winning and most of them had him winning 8-4, that's NOT a close fight, anybody who doesn't HATE Floyd Mayweather will definitely see Mayweather winning a comfortable 9-3 or 8-4 type of decision.

The way I see it and all boxers and trainers see it, the fight wasn't really close and there's not a lot controversy, real people addressed the issue of the "injury" and anybody who doesn't deprive themselves from sleep and oxygen will see that Pacquiao wasn't severely injured in the fight cuz of the way he used his arm and cuz of how after the fight he had both his hands in the air without any signs of pain and there's even an instance while he was leaving the ring where he only had the right arm in the air to salute the fans with a big smile on his face.

[Ray Corso]

Nothing new, theres been many fights where the opposition has decided that their well being is all that matters. This type of "fix" has been around along time. They box hard but no one actually presses with constant pressure. Hard follpow up shots aren't thrown and it becomes a "glorified spar session".

I do believe thats exactly whjat they did and they are the only two today capable of selling it and they did.

You look at lil" Rocky vs Lucas and tell me that wasn't a world class fight! I'm not tryimng to compare skill levels simpoly talking about "effort"!
Pacman nor Floyd fought their azzes off and after all this time talking about the match up you'd think they'd bring their A effort! Well they didn't. Why?

The fans got played, and they don't know it. The casual fan looked at the fight like it was a joke, they're right!

Ray.