WOW! PBC has burned thorugh 143M dollars, investors lose 27.5% of its value!

[!! Shawn]

Except I didn't say that~

If (you know that word right) he is doing something wrong then it will all come to light and being taken care of. I don't think he is doing anything wrong (in a legal sense) and no one here has shown otherwise certainly not you.


Also I don't give much of a **** about Haymon, if he goes to prison so be it or if he sells the company for billions that is fine also or if he goes bankrupt. That is system we live in, but I like boxing so seeing it expand is something I would like.

We would all like to see it expand. Its not going to expand by introducing what we have all come to know as haymon mismatches to the mainstream public on a regular basis.

Go back to boxings hayday on TV, there were the TV fighters, like Little Red Lopez, Bobby Chacon, Ray Mancini... they were all non stop action fighters, always in wars.

Thats how Boxing was successful on TV. Its not going to be successful on TV with dull mismatches being the rule rather than the exception. All this talk of building up talent. Yes, that is legitimates. Once you have a world title, that building up the talent thing is no longer valid.

[Barcham]

Boxing has the same appeal all sports do, and individual sports are just as desired as team sports to TV because the audience has to watch them live. I also said Haymon could fail~ so you should look in the mirror because you can do nothing but say nay,

I never once said boxing overtakes anything, I just said it will get a TV deal as the numbers are as the numbers aren't that out of line with most other sports broadcasts.

Hyperbole doesn't make you look better, it makes it look like you have no clue what you are talking about.

The ratings numbers are nothing close to the numbers of team sports with network contracts. Even tennis gets better numbers than boxing does, and so does golf. And tennis and golf have huge sponsorship deals from equipment and sportswear sponsors. Many people play golf and tennis in their spare time, how many box?

The numbers boxing is getting in the ratings will not be high enough to win it a network deal. The cost of each show is above the advertising revenue it pulls in. Networks are not in business to lose money.

We have been through this entire discussion in another thread and I even had to deal with fools claiming that boxing was bigger than Formula 1 racing. I have no wish to bother with this argument again with someone who is incapable of looking at the reality of the situation.

[The Gambler1981]

The ratings numbers are nothing close to the numbers of team sports with network contracts. Even tennis gets better numbers than boxing does, and so does golf. And tennis and golf have huge sponsorship deals from equipment and sportswear sponsors. Many people play golf and tennis in their spare time, how many box?

The numbers boxing is getting in the ratings will not be high enough to win it a network deal. The cost of each show is above the advertising revenue it pulls in. Networks are not in business to lose money.

We have been through this entire discussion in another thread and I even had to deal with fools claiming that boxing was bigger than Formula 1 racing. I have no wish to bother with this argument again with someone who is incapable of looking at the reality of the situation.

No they really don't do better numbers, and people playing a sport is different than watching it. The sponsorship is better in gold certainly but that is a problem that can be overcome, with actual eyeballs glued to the TV. Golf is not something most people just watch except certain occasions their ratings have dipped substantially since Tiger's peak and less people are golfing hence why golf courses are in decline in like 48 out of 50 states. Tennis is tennis

The numbers boxing is getting now are just fine to get a nice TV deal.

You don't want top have this talk because you have nothing except what you think reality is, if you had actual evidence, look at average regular season baseball, hockey, basketball, soccer or any of the individual sports on most of the time.

Here is MLS

http://www.si.com/planet-futbol/2015...ts-espn-unimas

Baseball
https://businessjournalism.org/2015/...ting-baseball/

[brettWall]

Pure speculation.

In business, you lose some and win some. The bottom line is what matters. There are still fights that are potential blockbusters. That's what keeps them going. One blockbuster would eradicate the loses.

[The Gambler1981]

MLB TV deal

http://m.mlb.com/news/article/39362362/

MLS TV deal

http://www.forbes.com/sites/chrissmi...fox-univision/

[Barcham]

No they really don't do better numbers, and people playing a sport is different than watching it. The sponsorship is better in gold certainly but that is a problem that can be overcome, with actual eyeballs glued to the TV. Golf is not something most people just watch except certain occasions their ratings have dipped substantially since Tiger's peak and less people are golfing hence why golf courses are in decline in like 48 out of 50 states. Tennis is tennis

The numbers boxing is getting now are just fine to get a nice TV deal.

You don't want top have this talk because you have nothing except what you think reality is, if you had actual evidence, look at average regular season baseball, hockey, basketball, soccer or any of the individual sports on most of the time.

Here is MLS

http://www.si.com/planet-futbol/2015...ts-espn-unimas

Baseball
https://businessjournalism.org/2015/...ting-baseball/

Tell me how boxing can compete with hockey or baseball which have dozens of games going on per week? Do you not understand the differences which are inherent in the various sports? Like I said in my last post, you are not capable of discussing this topic because you are unable to discern the differences between the various sports and the fans who watch them. The Boston Red Sox are playing 5 games in the next 5 days. A Sox fan wlll watch each game. An Andre Ward fan has not seen their favorite boxer in the ring for 19 MONTHS. A Cotto fan did not see his favorite for 12 MONTHS.

Can you not see a huge ****ing difference there? Are you blind or just willfully ignorant?

[The Gambler1981]

We would all like to see it expand. Its not going to expand by introducing what we have all come to know as haymon mismatches to the mainstream public on a regular basis.

Go back to boxings hayday on TV, there were the TV fighters, like Little Red Lopez, Bobby Chacon, Ray Mancini... they were all non stop action fighters, always in wars.

Thats how Boxing was successful on TV. Its not going to be successful on TV with dull mismatches being the rule rather than the exception. All this talk of building up talent. Yes, that is legitimates. Once you have a world title, that building up the talent thing is no longer valid.

Whether it succeeds or fails because him doing a proper job or not is his problem, if he blows it he blows it.

That is not a corruption issue that is the issue of him doing a good job or not. Incompetence is always an option and just because he has an insurance policy doesn't mean he wants to fail.

He doesn't have his boxing guy in place yet, that much is clear. The public doesn't know much about boxing at all, and people here are such a small percentage of the available audience that really care about what you say. If the fights suck they will tune out, if they are good they will continue to watch.

You are either growing or you are dying there is no staying the same, getting a title is just a title~

[The Gambler1981]

Tell me how boxing can compete with hockey or baseball which have dozens of games going on per week? Do you not understand the differences which are inherent in the various sports? Like I said in my last post, you are not capable of discussing this topic because you are unable to discern the differences between the various sports and the fans who watch them. The Boston Red Sox are playing 5 games in the next 5 days. A Sox fan wlll watch each game. An Andre Ward fan has not seen their favorite boxer in the ring for 19 MONTHS. A Cotto fan did not see his favorite for 12 MONTHS.

Can you not see a huge ****ing difference there? Are you blind or just willfully ignorant?

It doesn't have to compete with them, it has to find it's niche which it clearly occupies. Most Baseball games are on local cable stations same with basketball and hockey. There are only a couple national games a week. Do you not get that?

We are talking just national TV not local TV deal. Big difference, do you not see that?

If people like PBC fights they will tune in to watch most PBC get to know the guys and know when they are fighting, they may not like some. That would be the market sorting it out though. Boxing is different that is true, but that does not mean that it will not work in much the same way because of those differences as there are always new guys emerging.

Talk about not seeing things yet bringing up totally unrelated stuff to a national TV contract and throwing a fit about it~

[The Gambler1981]

NBA ratings

http://www.sportsbusinessdaily.com/D...-audience.aspx

[Barcham]

It doesn't have to compete with them, it has to find it's niche which it clearly occupies. Most Baseball games are on local cable stations same with basketball and hockey. There are only a couple national games a week. Do you not get that?

We are talking just national TV not local TV deal. Big difference, do you not see that?

If people like PBC fights they will tune in to watch most PBC get to know the guys and know when they are fighting, they may not like some. That would be the market sorting it out though. Boxing is different that is true, but that does not mean that it will not work in much the same way because of those differences as there are always new guys emerging.

Talk about not seeing things yet bringing up totally unrelated stuff to a national TV contract and throwing a fit about it~

Do you not realize that MLB has their own entire cable package that carries EVERY GAME OF EVERY TEAM? That real baseball fans subscribe to this as a pay service at a much higher price than people pay for HBO?

Real sports fans do not limit themselves to watching one game per week and only of their favorite team. They watch as many games as they can and they are willing to pay for the privilege.

Boxing with one show per week, and months between major contests happening, cannot compete with team sports, or with other major sports such as auto racing or tennis. The audience simply is not there. Parents send their kids to baseball camp in the summer or football camp and hockey camp in the winter. No one sends their kids to boxing camp.

You have to realize as well that as a society, we are moving away from violent sports as accepted entertainment. Football is being toned down due to head injuries, hockey is being toned down due to head injuries. Do you think society is going to get behind a sport where the main goal of the game is to cause a head injury to your opponent by knocking him out?

I love boxing. I love all martial arts and began training in them when I was 8 years old and only stopped being active when I hit my 40s. But as much as I love boxing, I know that it is long past the time where it can regain the status it once had in the sporting world. It will never compete with advertiser or fan dollars with other cleaner, more organized, more fan and family friendly sports. Boxing is an archaic throwback to our past and will remain a fringe sport along with MMA. All the wishing in the world will not change that.