Who has a better defense? Marcos Maidana or Lucas Matthysse?

[Sugar Adam Ali]

"Are you serious right now?", you know people with pale skin are more likely to bruise even if they get grazed? I guess biology has never been a strength of yours, going off your logic, the winner of a race should be the one least tired. Boxing has nothing to do with facial damage or else Maidana would have beaten both Khan and Maidana. Also, bruises will be less apparent on people with more melanin so why on Earth is that irrelevant? Please educate yourself on the meaning of defence. Bruises can be caused by one punch, if you dodge everything else but that, does it mean you have a **** defence?

Lucas has little defense, he kept getting hit with the same punch over and over again by danny and Ruslan

Bottom line is
One dude got blazed on by jon molina.., one dude did not

[LoadedWraps]

Maidana and it's not close. Have you ever seen Maidanas's face even scathed? Very elusive and solid defensive fighter, you can always tell the people who don't know boxing because they think he is a crude brawler when in fact he can box quite well and is a solid defensive fighter.

[punchr]

Who has Maidana fought with solid chins and power like Garcia or Provodnikov? Guarantee you they would hit him.

Adrien Broner, Floyd Mayweather, Josesito Lopez, Jesus Soto Karass, Amir Khan (with Ariza shakes), roided up Erik Morales (Maidana beat his ass with pillows.), a prime Victor Ortiz who had never been knocked out before.

Mayweather has power when he sits down and digs in -- chops with his punch.

Maidana IMO

Ruslan was catching Lucas and he only throws hooks

Maidana basically made Floyd stop throwing the jab to the body because Floyd had to be concerned about chinos counter right

I'm surprised poll has Lucas ahead

Very good post. Props for not following the herd. Keep ballin, big pimpin.

Floyd fights like a scared girl and doesn't commit to anything. there's nothing to take from that, just about everyone else Maidana has fought has done more damage to him and landed more consistently than Mayweather. Broner who was getting his sht pushed in majority of the fight did more damage to Maidana.

Maidana's defence isn't as good as Mayweather made it seem.

Why are you discrediting Maidana by belittling Mayweather? Floyd tried to walk Chino down in the first fight and got chin checked due to what Marcos was doing, imposing his skill and will and bull power.

In the rematch, Maidana damaged Mayweather. Swole his lip and busted up his nose.

You never said what? You literally posted Lucas getting hit by Ruslan three separate times in this to argue a point and wrote "when do you see Maidana get hit with bungalows like this?"

Getting a KO vs going the distance has nothing to do with your defense. You are now just arguing why you think Maidana is better now, not why you think his defense is better. And it wasn't just the Ortiz fight, he gets hit with big shots in every fight, Ortiz was just the last guy with the power to seriously hurt him. Mayweather, Khan, Alexander, and Lopez all landed very flush on him, they are just not punchers

What I meant was stop trying to force this dumb analogy on me. It's wack.

by your logic he is better than Mayweather bc he rocked Mayweather and hasn't got rocked himself.

Stop generalizing. I asked a specific question and you gave me a very, very generalized answer that makes no sense.

Answer this.

Name one time when Matthysse rolled punches like this.



Not impressed? He did it against a fighter who is better than anyone on Matthysse's resume.

Lucas has little defense, he kept getting hit with the same punch over and over again by danny and Ruslan

Bottom line is
One dude got blazed on by jon molina.., one dude did not

Very good post. Keep player pimpin, OG.

Maidana and it's not close. Have you ever seen Maidanas's face even scathed? Very elusive and solid defensive fighter, you can always tell the people who don't know boxing because they think he is a crude brawler when in fact he can box quite well and is a solid defensive fighter.

Excellent post. Keep schooling these clowns. Stay up, boss player OG pimp.

[shenmue]

Maidana and it's not close. Have you ever seen Maidanas's face even scathed? Very elusive and solid defensive fighter, you can always tell the people who don't know boxing because they think he is a crude brawler when in fact he can box quite well and is a solid defensive fighter.

Don't forget Maidana is slow and will be Knocked out due to a body shot as well.

I like both fighters, Maidana to me has only ever looked real bad in one fight, the Devon fight and that was because of a lot of reasons i have bought up before, but regardless it was a terrible performance.

I believe that since training with Garcia that Maidana does have better defense, he has improved his countering and slips shots much better, he looked spectacular vs Broner and Floyd 1, if that was the old Maidana he would have been been beaten baldy IMO.

Offensively he now sets traps, has a pretty solid jab, gos to teh body and head not just the over hand right like he used to, he is just better all round fighter, not just defensively.

Lucas to me is the bigger puncher and perhaps gasses less late on but i think Maidana is the better fighter. Big fan of both as i say though.

[punchr]

Don't forget Maidana is slow and will be Knocked out due to a body shot as well.

I like both fighters, Maidana to me has only ever looked real bad in one fight, the Devon fight and that was because of a lot of reasons i have bought up before, but regardless it was a terrible performance.

I believe that since training with Garcia that Maidana does have better defense, he has improved his countering and slips shots much better, he looked spectacular vs Broner and Floyd 1, if that was the old Maidana he would have been been beaten baldy IMO.

Offensively he now sets traps, has a pretty solid jab, gos to teh body and head not just the over hand right like he used to, he is just better all round fighter, not just defensively.

Lucas to me is the bigger puncher and perhaps gasses less late on but i think Maidana is the better fighter. Big fan of both as i say though.

I like Matthysse too (He's a cold-blooded killer.). It's just some of these clowns are acting like Maidana is some face-first, slow brawler with no savvy or finesse.

[vman075]

What I meant was stop trying to force this dumb analogy on me. It's wack.



Stop generalizing. I asked a specific question and you gave me a very, very generalized answer that makes no sense.

Answer this.

Name one time when Matthysse rolled punches like this.



Not impressed? He did it against a fighter who is better than anyone on Matthysse's resume.

I didn't make any generalizations. I didn't even make and argument on you're opinion. I just said what you're using to prove it is ridiculous. You showed a gif of matthysse being hit (the same punch over and over) and then showed a gif of maidana rolling punches. It doesn't mean one is better than the other it just shows the best of one and worst of the other.
I then said you could even show mayweather getting hit with big punches, but it doens't mean a guy who wasn't caught like that is better defensively.

The rest of your post goes on to once again do the exact thing I'm criticizing (show one random gif). And then criticize Matthysse resume (which again is a good argument for Maidana being the better fighter, but that's not the question at hand).

I appreciate the debate but I'm not going back and forth on this anymore, let's agree to disagree. You think Maidana is better defensively. I respect that, I just think you're using a very thin argument to prove it.

EDIT: I just noticed that in the second gif mayweather is landing at 54% and 65% of his power shots. This is why I'm having the fight about one gif being a horrendous argument to prove something. It only tells one second of a career.

[shenmue]

I like Matthysse too (He's a cold-blooded killer.). It's just some of these clowns are acting like Maidana is some face-first, slow brawler with no savvy or finesse.

Its nonsense i agree, Maidana is just very aggressive and at times looks wild but his overhand right is fast, is jab is solid and as i say he now sets traps, goes head and body, mixes it up smartly and sometimes disguise's whether he is going down or up. (Broner KD is great)

only gotta watch his last 3 fights and anybody who says that he is slow, dumb caveman is blind.

But Maidnaa is entertainment in a boxing ring, i really enjoy his aggressive style, i'd take that over Floyd's masterclasses anyway and i admire Floyd greatly but he gets dull to watch.

[punchr]

I didn't make any generalizations. I didn't even make and argument on you're opinion. I just said what you're using to prove it is ridiculous. You showed a gif of matthysse being hit (the same punch over and over) and then showed a gif of maidana rolling punches. It doesn't mean one is better than the other it just shows the best of one and worst of the other.
I then said you could even show mayweather getting hit with big punches, but it doens't mean a guy who wasn't caught like that is better defensively.

The rest of your post goes on to once again do the exact thing I'm criticizing (show one random gif). And then criticize Matthysse resume (which again is a good argument for Maidana being the better fighter, but that's not the question at hand).

I appreciate the debate but I'm not going back and forth on this anymore, let's agree to disagree. You think Maidana is better defensively. I respect that, I just think you're using a very thin argument to prove it.

EDIT: I just noticed that in the second gif mayweather is landing at 54% and 65% of his power shots. This is why I'm having the fight about one gif being a horrendous argument to prove something. It only tells one second of a career.

The video from that gif was showing how compubox is full of shit. Maidana was making Mayweather miss the whole fight, yet the punch stats somehow had Mayweather landing all these imaginary punches. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5CqV...*******&t=3m4s

[SalimShady1212]

Believe what you want to believe. As an amateur boxer with over 30 bouts, Matthysse has shown me that he is more technically adept and has shown me the greater ability to slip an parry in the textbook manner. Maidana's aggression is his defence. And 60% of the poll agree with me.

[SalimShady1212]

The video from that gif was showing how compubox is full of shit. Maidana was making Mayweather miss the whole fight, yet the punch stats somehow had Mayweather landing all these imaginary punches. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5CqV...*******&t=3m4s

Please don't tell me you think Maidana won the first fight?