The Ali aftertaste....

[Joe Beamish]

I could give you so many reasons for Floyd man but I just want to know, why is his offence not great?

Once again man, you're not understanding what I am saying. What is the point lol

Floyd doesn't hurt people -- at all. He used to, a little.

But Ali KO'd George freaking Foreman for chrissakes.

Leonard KO'd Tommy The Hit Man freaking Hearns.

Does that help?

[Redd Foxx]

"Greatest" and "best" are best are different things. Technically, he was good but clearly not the best. He should have 3 losses to Kenny Norton on his record. But, being the most beloved and socially significant boxer makes him the "greatest". I don't care for Ali but his story got me into boxing as a kid and that makes him the most important to me.

People in my generation are often shocked when I tell them that Tyson was not the best ever, nor close to it. It's all down to your perception, your generation, etc. We can argue about who the technical best were but there is no right answer as to who was the greatest. That's a personal thing.

[silentscoper]

You think Floyd has surpassed Ali? How? His level of opposition has never been up to the level of Ali's opposition.

[Bozbay]

Floyd doesn't hurt people -- at all. He used to, a little.

But Ali KO'd George freaking Foreman for chrissakes.

Leonard KO'd Tommy The Hit Man freaking Hearns.

Does that help?

So Floyd doesn't knock people out? I thought this was called 'Boxing', not KOing.

Please remember that everyone loses power respectively as they climb weights, especially 5. Floyd hasn't KO'd recently 1) He is so skilful he does not need to take the risk 2)He's been fighting larger fighters E.g. Canelo, Maidana, Cotto.

The young Floyd that fought fighters at lower weights hurt people. Remember Corrales, Hatton, both unbeaten but had been stopped by Floyd?

And remember, at Heavyweight, anyone can stop someone

[Bozbay]

So Floyd doesn't knock people out? I thought this was called 'Boxing', not KOing.

Please remember that everyone loses power respectively as they climb weights, especially 5. Floyd hasn't KO'd recently 1) He is so skilful he does not need to take the risk 2)He's been fighting larger fighters E.g. Canelo, Maidana, Cotto.

The young Floyd that fought fighters at lower weights hurt people. Remember Corrales, Hatton, both unbeaten but had been stopped by Floyd?

And remember, at Heavyweight, anyone can stop someone

Have you ever seen a fighter shut fighters out with intelligence and skill as well as Floyd? Great fighters too

[SilverMiles]

I also wondered this myself a lot I mean Ali is and probably will forever be the most popular boxer ever.

So many casual will by default call him the best but same casual think Tyson is an ATG.

But you would think hardcore fans would know better. Simply put Ali is the best heavyweight ever but guys like Hagler, Leonard, Pep, Manny, Chavez, and Duran are better p4p boxers and their resumes are much deeper.

It's really unfair a lot of boxers aren't judged sorely on their abilities but also their popularity.

[Joe Beamish]

"Greatest" and "best" are best are different things. Technically, he was good but clearly not the best. He should have 3 losses to Kenny Norton on his record. But, being the most beloved and socially significant boxer makes him the "greatest". I don't care for Ali but his story got me into boxing as a kid and that makes him the most important to me.

People in my generation are often shocked when I tell them that Tyson was not the best ever, nor close to it. It's all down to your perception, your generation, etc. We can argue about who the technical best were but there is no right answer as to who was the greatest. That's a personal thing.

Agree, there's no single "best" in terms of historical boxing skills. You have to define what you mean, and even then there's no way of really knowing.

About Tyson, I've heard very few people say he was the best ever -- outside of very, very casual fans.

But I actually think that at Tyson's best -- still with Rooney in 1987 or 88 -- he was as good as anyone, and would have defeated as many HW boxers in history as any other fighter. But there's no way to prove it. Late 60s Ali is way up there too.

I also agree that "Greatest" was Ali's word to mean more than just boxing. Most charismatic, most memorable, smartest, best looking, and most culturally significant all wrapped up with an extremely outstanding talent in the ring.

Still, even as a boxer, Ali was hard to match, and might well be the "best". I think his ring generalship was unsurpassed, as was his chin. His jab was as good as anyone's. His overall movement was a sight to behold. And he defeated great fighters in their prime.

[Redd Foxx]

So Floyd doesn't knock people out? I thought this was called 'Boxing', not KOing.

Please remember that everyone loses power respectively as they climb weights, especially 5. Floyd hasn't KO'd recently 1) He is so skilful he does not need to take the risk 2)He's been fighting larger fighters E.g. Canelo, Maidana, Cotto.

The young Floyd that fought fighters at lower weights hurt people. Remember Corrales, Hatton, both unbeaten but had been stopped by Floyd?

And remember, at Heavyweight, anyone can stop someone

You just clarified why he'll never surpass Ali. "....he does not need to take the risk".
This is why there is so little respect for his accomplishments and for the man himself. Winning for the sake of winning degrades the appeal of boxing, which is the fight. Without the fight you have a chess match, which no one wants to watch. Floyd it's at a pinnacle right now but don't be fooled into thinking that history will look favorably upon him. Conservative fighters are never remembered fondly.

[Bozbay]

I also wondered this myself a lot I mean Ali is and probably will forever be the most popular boxer ever.

So many casual will by default call him the best but same casual think Tyson is an ATG.

But you would think hardcore fans would know better. Simply put Ali is the best heavyweight ever but guys like Hagler, Leonard, Pep, Manny, Chavez, and Duran are better p4p boxers and their resumes are much deeper.

It's really unfair a lot of boxers aren't judged sorely on their abilities but also their popularity.

This is exactly what I mean. Judged sorely on abilities, Ali just isn't the best fighter ever in my view.

[Bozbay]

You just clarified why he'll never surpass Ali. "....he does not need to take the risk".
This is why there is so little respect for his accomplishments and for the man himself. Winning for the sake of winning degrades the appeal of boxing, which is the fight. Without the fight you have a chess match, which no one wants to watch. Floyd it's at a pinnacle right now but don't be fooled into thinking that history will look favorably upon him. Conservative fighters are never remembered fondly.

Which styles of boxing are appealing depends on person preference. Boxing is about winning, you fight to win. Whether fans want to watch it is a completely different thing, that's all down to which styles fans find appealing. What really matters is the ability and effectiveness of the fighter. Not how fun they are to watch.