Who would enhance Mayweather's legacy most? Khan or Brook?

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    #101
    brooks got them belts,,,plane and simple

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    • LacedUp
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      #102
      Originally posted by aAgger

      It doesn't matter who "looks" like the better fighter. What counts is who has the better resume.
      Then surely, Danny Garcia should be at the forefront of the queue and not Khan.

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        #103
        Originally posted by Doctor_Tenma
        I don't see how doing what Prescott, Peterson and Garcia already did is more legacy enhancing than beating Brook who looks like the considerably better fighter. On top of that Khan is done and people struggle to see that.
        Haha, so doing what Kotelnik, Alexander and "Khan" did to Maidana enhanced Mayweather's legacy?

        There is a reason that Brook has 35 fights and exactly how many names stand out? Porter? and?

        Khan has accomplished more and has a considerably better resume than Kell. Not to mention he is more known than Brook.

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          #104
          Originally posted by Doctor_Tenma
          On so many levels no, it doesn't matter that Khan has the better resume, the fact of the matter is...he hasn't done anything noteworthy since getting taken out by Garcia. It's been careful matchmaking since and even then, that has failed miserably because he has continued to show that he isn't an elite fighter, if anything I've seen a lesser fighter since losing to Garcia. So it isn't always resume, when also matters and at this point in time, Brook is clearly the better fighter and the more credible WW.

          Mayweather can easily walk him down as well as outbox him, it's laughable to think otherwise when lesser fighters have had success pressing Khan, Peterson, Julio Diaz and recently Algieri who isn't even known for that.
          So, Brook beating: Yo Yo Man, Gavin and Punching Bag Bag Rios is doing something of note?

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          • aAgger
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            #105
            Originally posted by Doctor_Tenma
            On so many levels no, it doesn't matter that Khan has the better resume, the fact of the matter is...he hasn't done anything noteworthy since getting taken out by Garcia. It's been careful matchmaking since and even then, that has failed miserably because he has continued to show that he isn't an elite fighter, if anything I've seen a lesser fighter since losing to Garcia. So it isn't always resume, when also matters and at this point in time, Brook is clearly the better fighter and the more credible WW.

            Mayweather can easily walk him down as well as outbox him, it's laughable to think otherwise when lesser fighters have had success pressing Khan, Peterson, Julio Diaz and recently Algieri who isn't even known for that.
            Even if we're talking about just recent WW fights, then Khan completely wipes the floor with Brook in that regard. Khan's last 3 WW fights have all been against world champions, whereas Brook's last 3 fights have been against just 1 world champion and then 2 European bums. Brook's recent WW fights have been complete rubbish compared to Khan's recent WW fights. Brook is the one most guilty of careful match-making, to avoid any risky fights before the Khan pay-day.

            And once again, styles make fights, so stop relying on irrational triangle theories. Mayweather hasn't walked anyone down since his fight against Zab Judah way back in 2006. At 38 years old, Floyd no longer has the power or work rate to walk anyone down. And once again, no one has ever outboxed Khan before. Peterson, Diaz and Algieri weren't trying to outbox Khan, but were trying to pressure and walk him down. Khan always beats back-footed technical boxers easily, but has problems against front-footed pressure fighters. Floyd is a back-footed technical boxer, not a front-footed pressure fighter. Most leading professional boxing experts agree that Khan's style would give Floyd major problems.

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              #106
              Originally posted by arraamis
              Don't attempt to diminish Brook just to elevate the Khan-man.

              Brook has the only loose WW belt out there and has been able to pack in a good UK crowd at each of his outings. It can\will be billed as a WW unification bout against an undefeated UK fighter.

              Meanwhile .... Khan-man is getting sorry numbers in each of his outings, including his failed attempt to headline. Add to that the absence of a belt and we are left with the question ... What does Khan-man bring to the table?

              Speed?!?!? That wasn't useful against Algeri.

              This shit that you guys are putting in print is rich.
              I'm not a Khan nor Brook fan per se. I just think Brook needs to do more than he's done to justify all this hype.

              He has one of the more rabid fanbases behind him but they can't bend the truth that far. His last 2 fights are Jojo Dan and Frankie Gavin and the IBF Welterweight belt has been "loose" for years. Not because it's some elusive prize but because nobody has bothered with it.

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              • aAgger
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                #107
                Originally posted by LacedUp
                Then surely, Danny Garcia should be at the forefront of the queue and not Khan.
                No, not really. Garcia has beaten 7 world champions in 1 weight class, which isn't as impressive as Khan's victories over 9 world champions in 3 weight classes. Furthermore, those Khan victories were all UD and KO, whereas almost half of those Garcia victories were MD and SD. Still, Garcia's resume is at least way better than Brook.

                But more importantly, Danny Garcia isn't even a WW. He hasn't fought a single fight at WW yet. It would be pretty dumb to put some LWW at the front of the WW queue.

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                • Doctor_Tenma
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                  #108
                  Originally posted by Box-Office
                  So, Brook beating: Yo Yo Man, Gavin and Punching Bag Bag Rios is doing something of note?
                  Beating Porter was noteworthy, that was a very good win and Khan hasn't beaten an opponent of that caliber since losing to Garcia. Brook looked very good in that fight as well, Khan on the other hand has looked shitty against lesser opponents, I don't know why this even needs explaining.

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                    #109
                    Originally posted by aAgger
                    Even if we're talking about just recent WW fights, then Khan completely wipes the floor with Brook in that regard. Khan's last 3 WW fights have all been against world champions, whereas Brook's last 3 fights have been against just 1 world champion and then 2 European bums. Brook's recent WW fights have been complete rubbish compared to Khan's recent WW fights. Brook is the one most guilty of careful match-making, to avoid any risky fights before the Khan pay-day.

                    And once again, styles make fights, so stop relying on irrational triangle theories. Mayweather hasn't walked anyone down since his fight against Zab Judah way back in 2006. At 38 years old, Floyd no longer has the power or work rate to walk anyone down. And once again, no one has ever outboxed Khan before. Peterson, Diaz and Algieri weren't trying to outbox Khan, but were trying to pressure and walk him down. Khan always beats back-footed technical boxers easily, but has problems against front-footed pressure fighters. Floyd is a back-footed technical boxer, not a front-footed pressure fighter. Most leading professional boxing experts agree that Khan's style would give Floyd major problems.
                    It's almost as if though I'm conversing with a casual fan here, Mayweather pressed Mosley for the entirety of the fight, pressed Ortiz and in spots he pressed the action against Cotto, Canelo and Maidana I. May not do so predominantly but nonetheless he can and at a much higher level than anyone Khan has been in against. You don't think you might want think about the bold for a sec? Who cares about those who failed to outbox Khan, those guys ain't Floyd.

                    Don't care about experts, I've watched both Mayweather and Khan, and Khan doesn't have a shot.

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                    • aAgger
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                      #110
                      Originally posted by Doctor_Tenma
                      Beating Porter was noteworthy, that was a very good win and Khan hasn't beaten an opponent of that caliber since losing to Garcia. Brook looked very good in that fight as well, Khan on the other hand has looked shitty against lesser opponents, I don't know why this even needs explaining.
                      Brook looked really bad against Porter. That's why it was a controversial MD rather than UD. Both Brook and Porter landed a similar number of punches, so the fight could have gone either way, with many boxing experts scoring it in favour of Porter rather than Brook.

                      On the other hand, all 3 of Khan's WW victories against world champs have been convincing unanimous victories: 119-109 against Collazo, 120-108 against Alexander, and 116-112 against Algieri. Even the Algieri fight he had problems with was still a far more convincing victory than Brook's last win against a world champ.

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