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  • #31
    Originally posted by Luilun View Post
    Floyd's Defense is over rated with all that hugging ,he should be penalized for it
    Fact: Muhammad ali clinched more in one round than Floyd does in a whole fight. So hate on ali while youre at it

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    • #32
      Originally posted by Ringlife View Post
      I thought the referee did a horrible job last night, he should have given Khan a warning for holding too much, but not one warning was given, and not only that but he kept on getting in the way of the fighters. Horrible job by that referee, about the holding in boxing it's the referee job to keep that to a minimum some refs let the fighters get out of that clinch like Hatton vs Tyszu.
      I did not see the fight yet but why did khan hold on to a guy that cannot break an egg if you taped it on a heavy bag

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      • #33
        Originally posted by Eastcoast View Post
        The irony is that spoilers are dependent on the aggressive fighters in order to sell themselves.
        • Mayweather needed warriors like Corrales, Castillo, Gatti, Hatton
        • To this day, Ward is still living off his wins over Kessler and Froch
        • People remember Lara's win over Angulo more so than Trout
        • Hopkins' defining moment was over Trinidad


        There are fighters who go out and capture drama and excitement, and those who steal it like parasites.
        that is a great post never looked at it like that but it is very true

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        • #34
          Still up to the opponent to do something about it! Why more pressure is not put on the opponent to do a better job dealing with those tactics? Instead we want guys who are doing what ever it takes to win to stop doing what ever it takes to win and fight a different way.

          You have to get rugged and DIRTY with them Back like Kell Brook did with Shawn Porter as a recent example. Kell beat him at his own game and had him complaining about holding after the fight that is how you do it!

          So I don't want to hear nothing from Fury fans about Wlad tactics, we already know his tactic, if Tyson Fury is not prepared for Wlad tactics then shame on him and Peter Fury for not putting together a gameplan to deal with it! Don't come crying about Wlad Tatics that we're already well aware of!

          Nobody tells the Bull Fighter to "GET GORED ON PURPOSE TO ENTERTAIN FANS" nobody tell the Opponent in War to "Hey Don't Use Air Tactics Lets Only Fight On The Ground". In a Battle you're suppose to do what ever it takes to win. Priority #1 is TO WIN and if fans just so happen to find entertainment in what you do then that is more money for you. But to ask people to change what is actually working for them, that is IGNORANT!

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          • #35
            Originally posted by Easy Work. View Post
            These tactics have been in boxing for years, nothing new. So stop whining about it.
            Yea but until Floyd ref would deduct points so shut your a$$

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            • #36
              Originally posted by Luilun View Post
              Yea but until Floyd ref would deduct points so shut your a$$
              Agree. And the reason there is a deduction is because it is not supposed to be part of boxing.

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              • #37
                Originally posted by Guerrero's Dad View Post
                More and more, spoilers are being rewarded for making the fight as ugly as possible. Meanwhile, the guy who is trying to, you know, actually make the fight, is depicted as a skill-free bum who needs to overcome the clinching, the excessive running, the headlocks etc.

                It's a pure safety-first approach from guys who are playing the system. Read Holyfield's article on this very point.
                Exactly. With Mayweather it is still watchable because he just has spectacular reflexes and speed that he still displays - but not to mean that it is fair for him to hug, hold and push or that he actually won his fights.

                But with others like Khan, Ward, Klitschko what's so nice to watch? Maybe with Klitschko at least he KO's his opponents. Unlike the first two who you know are there to survive and steal the win on points.

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                • #38
                  Originally posted by sargo View Post
                  Hugging, holding, headlocks, pushing the head is destroying boxing. And the people behind the scenes making sure the likes of Khan and Mayweather win despite that way of fighting are the ones responsible for having messed up and messing up the sport.

                  If you are ok with hugging, holding and pushing, better watch MMA. At least there something spectacular might actually happen like a submission instead of seeing the referree breaking up the clinch. I almost stopped watching the Algieri-Khan fight in the first half when I saw how much Khan was hugging, holding and pushing down Algieri's head. At least with Mayweather you are waiting for something spectacular like the pull-counter or the quick lunging left hook or just his defense when he doesn't run or hug.

                  Let's see the viewership when more boxers do this ugly style of fighting and when it is not Mayweather doing it. There's a reason the "Mexican style" of fighting is appreciated by even the likes of Golovkin.
                  Good post. Its becoming worse. To add insult to injury last night Algieri was warned for the holding..stop putting your head down under Khans arm. Remember Khan vs Collazo? Holding galore, ref ignored it. This is the problem. Refs need to ENFORCE the rules FAIRLY and the same for all fighters. Not discriminate... well we cant allow infighting for fighter A however fighter B will be allowed to excessively clinch. Its a contradiction to call a fighter great who uses these tactics. If the fighter was great they wouldnt need to clinch as a gameplan..but usually the refs turn a blind eye to it..so thats the root cause.

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                  • #39
                    Refer to my Garcia-Peterson and put up a real argument. Otherwise get over it because those things have been used in boxing for centuries.

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                    • #40
                      Originally posted by Easy Work. View Post
                      These tactics have been in boxing for years, nothing new. So stop whining about it.
                      Why is it no surprise, f l omos defend hugging.

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