Pacquiao Clean Punches Against Mayweather

[Johnwoo8686]

And keep telling yourself that Canelo was in his "prime" when he fought Fraud.

I'm going to bed. Goodnight son!

You're the only one who got sonned in this thread. Go get some sleep, its past your bed time.

[b00g13man]

He was just shy of his 23rd birthday. And yes I'll name several fighters who were prime at that age: Sugar Ray Leonard, Mike Tyson, Cassius Clay.

Don't waste your time. He doesn't even understand the concept of a southpaw.

[BennyST]

And keep telling yourself that Canelo was in his "prime" when he fought Fraud.

I'm going to bed. Goodnight son!

Of course Canelo was in his prime! Most, if not all fighters are in their prime at 23. What an utterly daft thing to say. He'd had 43 pro fights over eight years and had been champion for years already, and was not only considered the best champion at 154, but was the unified, lineal jr middleweight champion.

You may differentiate between his absolute peak and being in his prime, and while it may be true for the former (we'll not know that for many years though when we've watched most of his career) it's definitely not for the latter. He was unquestionably in his prime then, just as he is now a little over one year later. He'd fought former veteran champions, current top champions, future HOF veterans, top contenders, brawlers, boxers, southpaws...

Dominating every single round and nearly stopping Mosley is struggling?

Would you say Canelo is in his prime now? He was basically 23, one or so months off, and is now 24. I doubt anyone questions the fact he is in his prime now, nor did they after whipping Angulo a few months after Floyd.

Name one fighter in the history of boxing who was in their prime at 23?!?Are you ****ing serious? I can't believe the utter ****e people bring up here. It's actually much, much, much harder to name fighters who weren't in their prime at 23.
Roberto Duran
Floyd Mayweather
Wilfred Benitez
Mike Tyson
Manny Pacquiao
Ray Leonard
Ray Robinson
Esteban De Jesus
Salvador Sanchez
Wilfredo Gomez
Marco Antonio Barrera
Meldrick Taylor
Erik Morales
Carlos Deleon
Michael Moorer
Edwin Rosario
Tony Canzoneri
Jimmy McLarnin
George Foreman
Pipino Cuevas
Fighting Harada
Manuel Medina
Lionel Rose
Ruben Olivares
Alexis Arguello
Ernesto Marcel
Jorge Arce
Jeff Fenech
Floyd Patterson
Muhammad Ali
Ted Kid Lewis
Naseem Hamed
Ben Villaflor
Hiroki Ioka
Kazuto Ioka
Roman Gonzalez
Oscar Delahoya
Hector Camacho
Miguel Angel Gonzalez
Ricardo Arredondo
Alfonso Zamora
Fernando Vargas
Vincente Saldivar
Ismael Laguna
Donald Curry
Juan Francisco Estrada
Mando Ramos
Fernando Montiel
Juan Diaz
...and Canelo Alvarez.

I could literally just keep going on and on and on and on and on. That's just a bunch of guys I reeled out all off the top of my head, because most fighters are in their prime at 22/23. Many of these guys were already at or close to their peak too.

If an experienced, unified, lineal champion at his physical peak isn't in his prime, then no one ever is. He may get a bit better and reach his absolute peak in his mid to late twenties mentally before he physically declines, but that has nothing to do with him not being in his prime now and then. Any that thinks 22/23 year old Duran wasn't in his prime when he destroyed Esteban De Jesus or 23/24 year old Pacquiao when he destroyed Barrera is ****ing daft.

I'm pretty sure the 22 year old Floyd, having annihilated Hernandez and embarrassing Corrales a year or so later wasn't close to his prime either?

[Johnwoo8686]

Of course Canelo was in his prime! Most, if not all fighters are in their prime at 23. What an utterly daft thing to say. He'd had 43 pro fights over eight years and had been champion for years already, and was not only considered the best champion at 154, but was the unified, lineal jr middleweight champion.

You may differentiate between his absolute peak and being in his prime, and while it may be true for the former (we'll not know that for many years though when we've watched most of his career) it's definitely not for the latter. He was unquestionably in his prime then, just as he is now a little over one year later. He'd fought former veteran champions, current top champions, future HOF veterans, top contenders, brawlers, boxers, southpaws...

Dominating every single round and nearly stopping Mosley is struggling?

Would you say Canelo is in his prime now? He was basically 23, one or so months off, and is now 24. I doubt anyone questions the fact he is in his prime now, nor did they after whipping Angulo a few months after Floyd.

Name one fighter in the history of boxing who was in their prime at 23?!?Are you ****ing serious? I can't believe the utter ****e people bring up here. It's actually much, much, much harder to name fighters who weren't in their prime at 23.
Roberto Duran
Floyd Mayweather
Wilfred Benitez
Mike Tyson
Manny Pacquiao
Ray Leonard
Ray Robinson
Esteban De Jesus
Salvador Sanchez
Wilfredo Gomez
Marco Antonio Barrera
Meldrick Taylor
Erik Morales
Carlos Deleon
Michael Moorer
Edwin Rosario
Tony Canzoneri
Jimmy McLarnin
George Foreman
Pipino Cuevas
Fighting Harada
Manuel Medina
Lionel Rose
Ruben Olivares
Alexis Arguello
Ernesto Marcel
Jorge Arce
Jeff Fenech
Floyd Patterson
Muhammad Ali
Ted Kid Lewis
Naseem Hamed
Ben Villaflor
Hiroki Ioka
Kazuto Ioka
Roman Gonzalez
Oscar Delahoya
Hector Camacho
Miguel Angel Gonzalez
Ricardo Arredondo
Alfonso Zamora
Fernando Vargas
Vincente Saldivar
Ismael Laguna
Donald Curry
Juan Francisco Estrada
Mando Ramos
Fernando Montiel
Juan Diaz
...and Canelo Alvarez.

I could literally just keep going on and on and on and on and on. That's just a bunch of guys I reeled out all off the top of my head, because most fighters are in their prime at 22/23. Many of these guys were already at or close to their peak too.

If an experienced, unified, lineal champion at his physical peak isn't in his prime, then no one ever is. He may get a bit better and reach his absolute peak in his mid to late twenties mentally before he physically declines, but that has nothing to do with him not being in his prime now and then. Any that thinks 22/23 year old Duran wasn't in his prime when he destroyed Esteban De Jesus or 23/24 year old Pacquiao when he destroyed Barrera is ****ing daft.

I'm pretty sure the 22 year old Floyd, having annihilated Hernandez and embarrassing Corrales a year or so later wasn't close to his prime either?

This post was complete ownage. These clowns are incapable of using logic.

[slimshandy69]

Prime for boxers are in thir 30's...especially nowadays.

As fo the fight, scored it a draw, Manny landed the better shots...

[Calabis]

Of course Canelo was in his prime! Most, if not all fighters are in their prime at 23. What an utterly daft thing to say. He'd had 43 pro fights over eight years and had been champion for years already, and was not only considered the best champion at 154, but was the unified, lineal jr middleweight champion.

You may differentiate between his absolute peak and being in his prime, and while it may be true for the former (we'll not know that for many years though when we've watched most of his career) it's definitely not for the latter. He was unquestionably in his prime then, just as he is now a little over one year later. He'd fought former veteran champions, current top champions, future HOF veterans, top contenders, brawlers, boxers, southpaws...

Dominating every single round and nearly stopping Mosley is struggling?

Would you say Canelo is in his prime now? He was basically 23, one or so months off, and is now 24. I doubt anyone questions the fact he is in his prime now, nor did they after whipping Angulo a few months after Floyd.

Name one fighter in the history of boxing who was in their prime at 23?!?Are you ****ing serious? I can't believe the utter ****e people bring up here. It's actually much, much, much harder to name fighters who weren't in their prime at 23.
Roberto Duran
Floyd Mayweather
Wilfred Benitez
Mike Tyson
Manny Pacquiao
Ray Leonard
Ray Robinson
Esteban De Jesus
Salvador Sanchez
Wilfredo Gomez
Marco Antonio Barrera
Meldrick Taylor
Erik Morales
Carlos Deleon
Michael Moorer
Edwin Rosario
Tony Canzoneri
Jimmy McLarnin
George Foreman
Pipino Cuevas
Fighting Harada
Manuel Medina
Lionel Rose
Ruben Olivares
Alexis Arguello
Ernesto Marcel
Jorge Arce
Jeff Fenech
Floyd Patterson
Muhammad Ali
Ted Kid Lewis
Naseem Hamed
Ben Villaflor
Hiroki Ioka
Kazuto Ioka
Roman Gonzalez
Oscar Delahoya
Hector Camacho
Miguel Angel Gonzalez
Ricardo Arredondo
Alfonso Zamora
Fernando Vargas
Vincente Saldivar
Ismael Laguna
Donald Curry
Juan Francisco Estrada
Mando Ramos
Fernando Montiel
Juan Diaz
...and Canelo Alvarez.

I could literally just keep going on and on and on and on and on. That's just a bunch of guys I reeled out all off the top of my head, because most fighters are in their prime at 22/23. Many of these guys were already at or close to their peak too.

If an experienced, unified, lineal champion at his physical peak isn't in his prime, then no one ever is. He may get a bit better and reach his absolute peak in his mid to late twenties mentally before he physically declines, but that has nothing to do with him not being in his prime now and then. Any that thinks 22/23 year old Duran wasn't in his prime when he destroyed Esteban De Jesus or 23/24 year old Pacquiao when he destroyed Barrera is ****ing daft.

I'm pretty sure the 22 year old Floyd, having annihilated Hernandez and embarrassing Corrales a year or so later wasn't close to his prime either?

This is the kinda post that has ******* nation soul burning slow.....ownage

[ADP02]

That video is funny but this whole hugging thing goes to show how ignorant most people are about boxing. Muhammad Ali "hugged" George Foreman 17 times in the very first round of their fight and is called "The Greatest" by casuals. Floyd Mayweather "hugged" Manny Pacquiao once in the first round of their fight and was booed and jeered LOL.

This fight made me realize what Roger Mayweather said was true: Most people don't know **** about boxing.

No you don't know ..... in that fight, the talk was the roppa-dope that Ali was doing. Then of course, the KO of Foreman.

Unlike Ali, Floyd was fighting a one armed fighter and ran, hugged, head-locked, ducked below the waist, pushed off, ......

Another important point is what came out of the 2 fights. In the Ali fight, what was the talk was the above and Ali beating a fighter that he was not supposed to beat (by KO). In the so called "Fight of the century" everyone including the media all made fun of Floyd's hugging fiasco.

The joke in the media/comedians was that if their is a rematch, Floyd will no longer settle for just hugs. He wants a kiss too!

[ADP02]

Of course Canelo was in his prime! Most, if not all fighters are in their prime at 23.

No matter what you posted, that is not true. Canelo was not prime.
While Canelo started at a young age, he was brought up slowly. You mention 2012 Mosley. Mosley had 1 decent fight since 2007 and that was wind added by the bricks fiasco. Mosley was not Mosley in 2012's. By then, Mosley was just a name.

Against Floyd, go check out the fight. Showtime commentators bring up the point that critics thought the fight happened too soon for Canelo because he was relatively GREEN!!!

Even Floyd's team brought up Canelo's disadvantages:
Besides being relatively green, the fight was at a CW, Canelo's game plan was to out-box Floyd, Canelo had a weak resume, had stamina issues, fights relatively flat footed, low work rate ......

While we never can tell when or which fight can be someone's break out fight, for Canelo, it certainly had NOT happened before the Floyd fight.

[gamesworn]

Guys, Please Stay on Topic . Stop Trolling.......

APD02, good job in your breakdown in Round 3.

[ADP02]

Guys, Please Stay on Topic . Stop Trolling.......

APD02, good job in your breakdown in Round 3.

Thanks gamesworn.

Floyd fans who initially laughed, wanted a break down of round 3. I gave it. Now that they see that there is a legit case for it being Manny's round, they are resorting to deflections and trolling. Can't say it was not expected.

So as I said before, Lederman gave Manny round 2. Round 3 is now clearly a Manny round. So a case for 114-114 score is valid. There are other close rounds that could have gone Manny's way.