FACT: If Golovkin was from USA he would be hailed as the second coming of Mike Tyson!

[786]

Then what's he doing with the belts? Is he not the lineal champion? Unless he vacates he's fair game to be called out at the weight and nobody should have an issue with it. It's not like he's asking him to go to 160.

I'm not in favor of the bout, but Golovkin has every right to propose it at 154.



I don't see the logic in saying if he steps up to a weight class which is not his own that means he's no good.

If he holds two titles at JMW then hes' fair game. Vacate the titles and tell everyone he's too small of a man to defend them and then it won't be an issue.

I'm saying GGG isn't a JMW. You said it doesn't matter if GGG doesn't fight a SMW because he isn't one then go on to say that he has the right to call out the smaller guys. It's double standards....so he's ok to call out guys in weight divisions lower than his but if anyone expects him to fight a SMW, the response is, 'well he's a MW not a SMW.'

With that logic, the only 'name' that is fair game for him to call out is Cotto because he holds the lineal title at MW. Also, the only fighter GGG would go down to 154 for is Floyd, he'd expect Canelo to move up to him if they were to ever fight.

Finally, I never said that Golovikin is no good if he doesn't move up, I said he can potentially break records in a weak MW division but won't be as effective at SMW. Less than two years ago his trainer was telling anyone that would listen that his fighter will dominate at 168. Nowadays they call out WW's and JMW's, all I'm saying is whatever happened to dominating at 168? Why call out smaller guys to move up to you but it's a big problem if you're asked to move up?

[Weebler I]

I said he can potentially break records in a weak MW division but won't be as effective at SMW. Less than two years ago his trainer was telling anyone that would listen that his fighter will dominate at 168. Nowadays they call out WW's and JMW's, all I'm saying is whatever happened to dominating at 168? Why call out smaller guys to move up to you but it's a big problem if you're asked to move up?

Iirc Sanchez said they were willing to fight anyone from 154-168, and I believe they were at that time as he was struggling for opponents, from memory they offered Rodriguez and Stevenson a fight off PPV.

At this point they're only willing to move up as long as it's a PPV fight.

Also, he did call out Martinez and Quillin before who were in his own division as well as Murray who fought him. With no significant MW challenges left, he's calling out the big names: Cotto, Canelo, Floyd, Froch.

I'm saying GGG isn't a JMW.

If you can make the 154lb limit then you're fighting in the JMW division which for that bout makes you a JMW. If you can make the weight, then you can fight there, that's how it works.

[786]

Iirc Sanchez said they were willing to fight anyone from 154-168, and I believe they were at that time as he was struggling for opponents, from memory they offered Rodriguez and Stevenson a fight off PPV.

At this point they're only willing to move up as long as it's a PPV fight.

Also, he did call out Martinez and Quillin before who were in his own division as well as Murray who fought him. With no significant MW challenges left, he's calling out the big names: Cotto, Canelo, Floyd, Froch.



If you can make the 154lb limit then you're fighting in the JMW division which for that bout makes you a JMW. If you can make the weight, then you can fight there, that's how it works.

He'd only go to 154 to fight Floyd, no one else. It works both ways, if he can go up to 168 (as previously claimed) it makes him a SMW and he can fight there too. Why is that a problem and the other way isn't? Why expect Canelo to move up to 160 but god forbid GGG go to 168 'becasue he's a MW not a SMW'.....double standards and no logic.

[Weebler I]

He'd only go to 154 to fight Floyd, no one else. It works both ways, if he can go up to 168 (as previously claimed) it makes him a SMW and he can fight there too. Why is that a problem and the other way isn't? Why expect Canelo to move up to 160 but god forbid GGG go to 168 'becasue he's a MW not a SMW'.....double standards and no logic.

It's not a problem to me, but if he struggles there it doesn't mean he's no good or he's Arthur Abraham level, he's clearly a better boxer than Abe.

Personally, I don't think he'd do that well at 168 but maybe I'm wrong, time will tell.

[Jewish-Reptile]

If GGG can't get the a Canelo or Cotto, I don't understand why he does not consider facing a durable super mid.

[The Big Dunn]

Obviously, if GGG was an American he would be more popular here in America. Resume though is "country of origin" neutral.

Base on his list of opponents, GGG gets the same crap as Wilder, Santa Cruz and any fighter whose resume is completely made up of lower tier opposition.

The difference is GGG fans only hold the resume against other men and not him.

[786]

It's not a problem to me, but if he struggles there it doesn't mean he's no good or he's Arthur Abraham level, he's clearly a better boxer than Abe.

Personally, I don't think he'd do that well at 168 but maybe I'm wrong, time will tell.

It doesn't mean he's no good and by 'Arthur Abrahams level' I mean, he'd probably win a title at 168 and peak at say top 3-5 but won't be at the top nor as dominant as he is at 160.

He's by far the best MW around and I personally think he should stay put, build up his title defences and the big names would eventually come along. How long can Alvarez stay at 154? I'd imagine he'll eventually have to move up and Cotto can't hold the lineal title hostage forever, he's gonna have to defend or vacate at some stage.

How long did Hopkins dominate at MW before anyone took notice? It was years until the Trinidad fight happened and people paid attention. I understand GGG isn't Hopkins and isn't getting any younger but I do think he can have a similar career to Bhop's at MW.

[Ryn0]

depends on what type of americnann,, i mean all u gotta do is take one long look at deontay wilder and see what hes doing and the hype surrond him and compare to that of foreinger GGG. think before u post

wilder has knocked out every foe expect for one dude and no one even likes or noe who he is,

Its because Wilder has fought absolutely no one, even Tyson competition coming up was better than Wilders.

Wilder will lose that title quickly, he isn't good enough. He doesn't have anywhere near the repertoire Tyson had coming up.

[Caught Square]

I don't agree, forget about countries and race for a minute and just look at styles.

Golovkin doesn't have the same speed/explosiveness as a prime Tyson. He's more scientific and slowly breaks down his victims.

I don't even know why there's a constant need to call fighters 'the new Tyson' or 'new Mayweather. Golovkin is Golovkin, he is building his own legacy.

[Caught Square]

Lets cut through the BS, what your really thinking is if he was BLACK American. No need to hide your true thoughts lol.