Post Klitschko-Jennings thoughts: clinching and PUSHING against the rules?

[kenso]

Alright before you read the title of the thread and just go flipping ****, view this objectively. Since when is holding a fighter against the rules. He's popping off shots on you from the inside - you have a RIGHT to tie him up. It's strategic. A fighter lands a shot on you and rocks you, what do you do? You ****ing tie him up, right?

REGARDLESS of if you personally like Wladimir's style or not, can we not agree that CLINCHING is not against the rules in boxing? Sure, he's turned it into a tactical weapon, and that pisses a lot of people off. But let's be real, initiating a clinch is not against the rules. A point deducted for that is pathetic.

And finally, how about PUSHING?! So the dude is close in on him and he can't push off? Since WHEN is pushing off with one hand against any rules. Dude, this is ****ing boxing. People are get KTFO with haymakers. If a dude wants to push off or initiate a clinch to avoid getting smoked in the face, I say it's fair game.

Do people have a right to complain about Klitschko's style? Absolutely. However, let's be real - he shouldn't be losing points because he's nullifying a guy's inside game with a clinch or a push off. Weak ref job tonight.

[dan_cov]

Excessive holding and pushing are against the rules.As you said yourself its boxing, not wrestling.

[juggernaut666]

Alright before you read the title of the thread and just go flipping ****, view this objectively. Since when is holding a fighter against the rules. He's popping off shots on you from the inside - you have a RIGHT to tie him up. It's strategic. A fighter lands a shot on you and rocks you, what do you do? You ****ing tie him up, right?

REGARDLESS of if you personally like Wladimir's style or not, can we not agree that CLINCHING is not against the rules in boxing? Sure, he's turned it into a tactical weapon, and that pisses a lot of people off. But let's be real, initiating a clinch is not against the rules. A point deducted for that is pathetic.

And finally, how about PUSHING?! So the dude is close in on him and he can't push off? Since WHEN is pushing off with one hand against any rules. Dude, this is ****ing boxing. People are get KTFO with haymakers. If a dude wants to push off or initiate a clinch to avoid getting smoked in the face, I say it's fair game.

Do people have a right to complain about Klitschko's style? Absolutely. However, let's be real - he shouldn't be losing points because he's nullifying a guy's inside game with a clinch or a push off. Weak ref job tonight.

Funny to because so many ATG have been able to hit and hold or just hold when it was of convienance "ALI"...foreman was the absolute king of pushing his opponents and he is a legend....its obvious newbs and biased ppl are commenting mostly.

[dan_cov]

Funny to because so many ATG have been able to hit and hold or just hold when it was of convienance "ALI"...foreman was the absolute king of pushing his opponents and he is a legend....its obvious newbs and biased ppl are commenting mostly.

They boxed and didn't initiate 150 clinches and nonstop fouls everytime they got in the ring. When you are unnecessarily clinching more times in a round than you are punching there is something seriously wrong.

[jdp28tx]

I'm sorry, but if you watch Jennings arms when Vlad came in close he put his arms around Vlad's waist,he did not try and fight any clinches or holding off, he was equally willing to hold and let Vlad hold him. Usually I agree Vlad holds and normally should be deducted a point because his opponent most of the time is a victim of Vlad's holding. They try to fight out or push Vlad off. Jennings however, accepted and also reached out to hold Vlad just as much as Vlad tried to hold him. Every time Vlad got inside Jennings reached out to hug and put his arms around Vlad. Jennings rarely pushed Vlad away.

As for the ref he was way to one-sided, although you can to some extent excuse his warnings about holding, everything Vlad did the ref warned him over and over Whether it be pushing off or just Vlad using his jab. Now we know why Vlad never fights it the US.

Jennings is getting way to much credit for just running around the ring all night. He was just in it to go 12rds. He never threw a head shot and his body punches were half-hearted at best.

As for Vlad's trainer, Johnathon Banks, he needs to be fired. He gave Vlad horrible advice. He gave him advice as if it was he who was fighting Jennings. Telling Vlad to use his legs and box around the ring. As if Vlad is a mover like Mayweather. Giving a guy who is 6'6" 250lbs directions to dance around the ring. Jameel Mccline is a perfect example of what happens to a fighter who is above 6'5" and tries to dance around the ring using their legs like a featherweight.

[juggernaut666]

They boxed and didn't initiate 150 clinches and nonstop fouls everytime they got in the ring. When you are unnecessarily clinching more times in a round than you are punching there is something seriously wrong.

well the k.o percentages proves otherwise...yes Ali had more punch out put but the k.os compared to wlad is non existant only in high lite reels .

[kenso]

I'm sorry, but if you watch Jennings arms when Vlad came in close he put his arms around Vlad's waist,he did not try and fight any clinches or holding off, he was equally willing to hold and let Vlad hold him. Usually I agree Vlad holds and normally should be deducted a point because his opponent most of the time is a victim of Vlad's holding. They try to fight out or push Vlad off. Jennings however, accepted and also reached out to hold Vlad just as much as Vlad tried to hold him. Every time Vlad got inside Jennings reached out to hug and put his arms around Vlad. Jennings rarely pushed Vlad away.

As for the ref he was way to one-sided, although you can to some extent excuse his warnings about holding, everything Vlad did the ref warned him over and over Whether it be pushing off or just Vlad using his jab. Now we know why Vlad never fights it the US.

Jennings is getting way to much credit for just running around the ring all night. He was just in it to go 12rds. He never threw a head shot and his body punches were half-hearted at best.

As for Vlad's trainer, Johnathon Banks, he needs to be fired. He gave Vlad horrible advice. He gave him advice as if it was he who was fighting Jennings. Telling Vlad to use his legs and box around the ring. As if Vlad is a mover like Mayweather. Giving a guy who is 6'6" directions to dance around the ring. Jameel Mccline is a perfect example of what happens to a fighter who is above 6'5" and tries to dance around the ring using their legs like a featherweight.

I agree on all points. Why on earth was the HBO crew worshiping Jennings so hard? Cause he didn't get KTFO so quickly? That goes to show you how destructive Klitschko has been - that an undefeated top contender doesn't get KOd in 6 rounds and he's a BEAST.

The ref was extremely biased. Klitschko was losing focus when told not to clinch, and push. Don't push? God what a bias ref. With that said, Klitschko needs to develop a serious inside game in case he runs across another bull**** ref like that again. His inside game up to this point has been to literally neutralize the other fighter when he gets inside. Tonight, he clearly was thrown off by the trash reffing. I believe we will see a better, more typical Klitschko performance next time.

[Pain~Lucy]

Most of the holding was initiated by jennings, he was bullrushing wlad's armpit and never protested because he's thoroughly punching wlad's body effectively

[kenso]

They boxed and didn't initiate 150 clinches and nonstop fouls everytime they got in the ring. When you are unnecessarily clinching more times in a round than you are punching there is something seriously wrong.

This isn't about who else has clinched in boxing. It's about clinching being a part of the sport. If a dude has his face buried in your chest, you have the right to tie his ass up. If a dude is about to bust you in the face, you have the right to tie his ass up. If you're in a bad position and need to reset, you have the right to tie his ass up. That's the point of this thread. Pushing and clinching are PART of boxing.

[ИATAS]

I agree on all points. Why on earth was the HBO crew worshiping Jennings so hard? Cause he didn't get KTFO so quickly? That goes to show you how destructive Klitschko has been - that an undefeated top contender doesn't get KOd in 6 rounds and he's a BEAST.

The ref was extremely biased. Klitschko was losing focus when told not to clinch, and push. Don't push? God what a bias ref. With that said, Klitschko needs to develop a serious inside game in case he runs across another bull**** ref like that again. His inside game up to this point has been to literally neutralize the other fighter when he gets inside. Tonight, he clearly was thrown off by the trash reffing. I believe we will see a better, more typical Klitschko performance next time.

Lol u serious? You're not allowed to blatantly push off repeatedly in fights. Biased refs? Bull****, the refs he has overseas have been strongly biased in his favor for not deducting points and issuing warnings. It's not like this is Wlads first time, it happens in ALL of his fights! Did you see his fight with Alexander Povetkin? Absolutely disgraceful he wasn't deducted points. He could have been deducted points as early as round 1!!! And the ref allowed him to do it the entire fight. He clearly has a nasty habit of bending the rules which he does to his advantage.