Duva vs K2, GGG vs Kovalev. How did Duva do a better job?

[Barcham]

Yes, about Lara bringing nothing to the table and Ward not being worth the money. If you already know then why do you ask?

Lara is not in the same division and cannot fight on HBO as he is signed to Haymon. It is obvious to everyone that he is only using GGG to get some free publicity. If he wishes to fight GGG, he should move up to 160 and have his promoter contact GGG's promoter.

It should be obvious to anyone short of a total idiot that Ward will be a fight for the future, once he has had his tune up fights and gets his name back into the contender position. At the moment, there is more money for GGG to fight Monroe, Heiland or Johnson than there is in fighting Ward who cannot even get his tune up fights accepted by either HBO or Showtime.

These are the same tired old chestnuts that GGG detractors continue to bring up and they have been debunked over and over and over again. But the fool brigade continues to try again and again as if something has changed. Very sad.

[Dirk Diggler UK]

LOL you've constantly talked poorly about GGG on NSB, that one thread alone you made a couple weeks ago you stayed up for 72 hours straight posting 400 times in a single thread about GGG! Nothing positive at all, always something negative.

Motive? Carl Froch. You got tired of certain GGG fans saying Froch is scared or whatever and that's when your Nationalist pride goes into overdrive and GGG was put in your cross·hairs.

Nationalism is your soft spot, mate. We all know it. It's no big deal, just the way you are.

My thread wasn't intending to be positive towards GGG. It was an attack on the way GGG is being handled and managed. Why would I randomly post something positive about him? lol That doesn't even make any sense. It wasn't negative - it was just the truth, something which Golovkin fans can't seem to get a grip on.

I post a lot when I feel strongly about a particular subject and I feel I have to post a lot about this because it's an unpopular opinion on NSB.

If you don't constantly fawn over a guy whose best win is the bog standard Martin Murray (my intense Nationalism kicking in there again), then you're labelled as a "hater" or "prejudice". Bloody PREJUDICE

[Contra]

If you don't constantly fawn over a guy whose best win is the bog standard Martin Murray (my intense Nationalism kicking in there again), then you're labelled as a "hater" or "prejudice". Bloody PREJUDICE

Members of this forum see a lot of blatant hatred for many different fighters, so they know it when they read it.

You talk a massive amount of shít about a guy who doesn't deserve it.
And you do it c o n s t a n t l y

You are a Golovkin hater. It's very obvious... and kind of pathetic.

[Dirk Diggler UK]

Members of this forum see a lot of blatant hatred for many different fighters, so they know it when they read it.

You talk a massive amount of shít about a guy who doesn't deserve it.
And you do it c o n s t a n t l y

You are a Golovkin hater. It's very obvious... and kind of pathetic.

95% of the members of this forum are complete ******s. I can't help that.

[GoldenGloveLove]

I think they are doing what they should be doing with what they have, and keeping him very active with the best that HBO will pay for, and it will probably pay off this year with either a big fight or a deal for one.

[big_james10]

I think few wouldn't agree that Kovalev's promotion is doing better than GGGs. Kovalev has 3 belts and Adonis Stevenson is considered inferior by most. Kovalev got paid more for fighting Pascal than GGG has ever made. Kovalev had 2 superfights (Hopkins and Pascal) as well as got the belt from an established champion on the champions' home turf (Cleverly). GGG had none of these things.

What is Duva doing that K2 isn't? Is this all down to the different divisions they're in? Would be good to hear your thoughts.

Part of it is the fact that Kovalev has more and better competition at 175 than GGG does at 160. However, I agree that a large part of it is good promotion and good decisionmaking. GGG and his team are waiting on top fighters to come to him instead of being proactive. GGG and his team have mentioned Mayweather, Cotto and Alvarez when he should have just moved up to 168, where he could have fought or could be in the process of fighting guys like Lucian Bute, Carl Froch, Andre Ward and Mikhail Kessler.

Fights with Bute, Kessler and Froch in their home countries could have made him a lot more money and solidified his status as a superstar. If he beat these guys, a fight with Ward would have been huge.

Instead, he is fighting Willie Munroe Jr. next and praying that Cotto will fight him next.

[bojangles1987]

Part of it is the fact that Kovalev has more and better competition at 175 than GGG does at 160. However, I agree that a large part of it is good promotion and good decisionmaking. GGG and his team are waiting on top fighters to come to him instead of being proactive. GGG and his team have mentioned Mayweather, Cotto and Alvarez when he should have just moved up to 168, where he could have fought or could be in the process of fighting guys like Lucian Bute, Carl Froch, Andre Ward and Mikhail Kessler.

Fights with Bute, Kessler and Froch in their home countries could have made him a lot more money and solidified his status as a superstar. If he beat these guys, a fight with Ward would have been huge.

Instead, he is fighting Willie Munroe Jr. next and praying that Cotto will fight him next.

Golovkin and Kessler were in talks, but Kessler decided to retire. I'm not saying he retired because of Golovkin, so no one think that's what I'm suggesting. It's been put out there that Golovkin would be willing to travel to the UK for Froch but the Cobra's looking for a big money walk away fight. They nearly had a deal with Chavez at 168, which would have been great, but Chavez was getting screwed by Arum.

They've put in the effort. Monroe is the first time that Golovkin's people have not put in the effort to fight the best possible opponent. They've tried plenty and had bad luck. That's the only difference between him and Kovalev. GGG doesn't have a Hopkins in his division willing to man up.

LOL at Bute. He fights at 175 and offers literally no upside to beating him anymore.

[HeroBando]

Part of it is the fact that Kovalev has more and better competition at 175 than GGG does at 160. However, I agree that a large part of it is good promotion and good decisionmaking. GGG and his team are waiting on top fighters to come to him instead of being proactive. GGG and his team have mentioned Mayweather, Cotto and Alvarez when he should have just moved up to 168, where he could have fought or could be in the process of fighting guys like Lucian Bute, Carl Froch, Andre Ward and Mikhail Kessler.

Fights with Bute, Kessler and Froch in their home countries could have made him a lot more money and solidified his status as a superstar. If he beat these guys, a fight with Ward would have been huge.

Instead, he is fighting Willie Munroe Jr. next and praying that Cotto will fight him next.

Bute is 175 and shot. Kessler retired. GGG offered to fight Froch at 168 in the UK, no response, other than "we'll swerve him if we can, punches like a mule, dangerous fight"

[HeroBando]

Golovkin and Kessler were in talks, but Kessler decided to retire. I'm not saying he retired because of Golovkin, so no one think that's what I'm suggesting. It's been put out there that Golovkin would be willing to travel to the UK for Froch but the Cobra's looking for a big money walk away fight. They nearly had a deal with Chavez at 168, which would have been great, but Chavez was getting screwed by Arum.

They've put in the effort. Monroe is the first time that Golovkin's people have not put in the effort to fight the best possible opponent. They've tried plenty and had bad luck. That's the only difference between him and Kovalev. GGG doesn't have a Hopkins in his division willing to man up.

LOL at Bute. He fights at 175 and offers literally no upside to beating him anymore.

Chavez wasn't getting screwed by Arum man, the deal was outrageous. He'll probably never seen that type of money again. Not to mention he's probably the most coddled/best guided fighter in the sport, all of Top Ranks doing. Without them he's a sideshow

[bojangles1987]

Chavez wasn't getting screwed by Arum man, the deal was outrageous. He'll probably never seen that type of money again. Not to mention he's probably the most coddled/best guided fighter in the sport, all of Top Ranks doing. Without them he's a sideshow

Hey, if your promoter is telling you you'll get 7 million to fight a guy if you resign, but 1 or 2 million for that same fighter if you don't resign, you're getting screwed.