Pacquiao-Marquez I. Did Marquez quit? Should Pac have been DQ'd?

[ChicoEscuelaNYC]

I have a better question for you. Should the judge who "claims" he miscalculated the 10-6 round, have been DQ'ed???

Absolutely.

Some of these threads are petty and make no sense.

It's an interesting part of a classic fight. Sorry it bothered you so much. There's plenty of quality non-petty posts in the Floyd-Manny master thread though. Maybe you'd enjoy yourself more there.

[bojangles1987]

You don't DQ a fighter for that. You warn, and at most take a point. It's more of a conversation if Marquez didn't get up, but I'd stand by that.

And Marquez didn't quit, he took a moment to collect himself. I wish more referees gave fighters the benefit of the doubt in that scenario.

[Boxfan83]

I actually had Pac winning the first fight, a draw the second fight, Marquez winning the 3rd fight and we all know how 4 turned out but no matter how they turned out, lets be glad we had 4 epic wars between 2 great warriors.

[Dr Rumack]

Marquez was either milking it as well but then realized Cortez was having nothing of it and sprang back up, or thought the fight was over at that point after being knocked down for the 3rd time. I go back and forth on that one.

That's an interesting question. Bound to be some interviews with Marquez where he addresses that. I'm sure he'd reject any suggestion that he thought he was done, but it did sort of look like it. Would he have risked trying to milk the late punch in a moment like that?

He got seriously lucky with Cortez. Nine times out of ten that fight is stopped.

[Evol]

Marquez was actually grabbing onto the ropes trying to pull himself back up. That's when pac popped him again.

[ИATAS]

definitely doesn't warrant a DQ. It's really open to interpretation there - did pacquiao know marquez was fully down, Marquez was holding on to the rope and halfway down or up, don't think there was anything ill behind the punch plus it wasn't that hard of a blow anyways and he was whooping his ass, previously knocking him down twice. Usually it almost never matters in a situation like that - guy is getting pummeled first round getting knocked down multiple times, fight is about to be over in everyone minds. A rabbit punch, slightly late punch, etc - refs, broadcasting team, fans, etc, no one cares in the moment. This fight is different though looking back obviously because of how JMM amazingly battled back and their years long feud and rematches.

[El Malo.]

NOT a troll/bait thread just a retrospective on JMM-Pacquiao 1 (a fight which I believe Pacquiao won CLEARLY with the massive 10-6 first round).

Everyone mentions how explosive the 1st round was but the 3rd and final knockdown has two different dynamics to it that I've never heard mentioned.

First, Pacquiao clearly and deliberately hit Marquez AFTER he was down. Marquez left hand was on the canvas his right had clinging to the rope; Pacquiao stopped for a moment and decided to still smash him with an illegal straight left hand. Joe Cortez (confused as usual) said and did absolutely nothing, and Jim Lampley and the HBO crew didn't make a peep about it. This was at least as bad as what got RJJ DQ'd against Griffin if not worse

On the flipside after Marquez got hit with the illegal blow he fell back on the canvas and laid himself flat as if the fight was over. He had both gloves covering his face like he was done and by the way he sprung back to his feet I think he was surprised that Joe Cortez was even giving a count. I strongly believe that either Marquez thought Cortez was going to call the fight off at the moment because of the all the knockdowns, or that for a quick second he was trying to look more hurt than he actually was in order to get a point deduction or possibly a DQ victory after the illegal punch by Pacquiao.

In my opinion Pacquiao deserved a 1 point deduction for that. If everything else remained the same on the judge's scorecard JMM would have won by a split decision.

Thoughts?

He wasn't trying to quit, he did it in hopes Cortez would not rule it a knock down. I thought it was funny and when he noticed that Cortez kept counting he jumped right up like nothing happened. Marquez the troll

[Doctor_Tenma]

NOT a troll/bait thread just a retrospective on JMM-Pacquiao 1 (a fight which I believe Pacquiao won CLEARLY with the massive 10-6 first round).

Everyone mentions how explosive the 1st round was but the 3rd and final knockdown has two different dynamics to it that I've never heard mentioned.

First, Pacquiao clearly and deliberately hit Marquez AFTER he was down. Marquez left hand was on the canvas his right had clinging to the rope; Pacquiao stopped for a moment and decided to still smash him with an illegal straight left hand. Joe Cortez (confused as usual) said and did absolutely nothing, and Jim Lampley and the HBO crew didn't make a peep about it. This was at least as bad as what got RJJ DQ'd against Griffin if not worse

On the flipside after Marquez got hit with the illegal blow he fell back on the canvas and laid himself flat as if the fight was over. He had both gloves covering his face like he was done and by the way he sprung back to his feet I think he was surprised that Joe Cortez was even giving a count. I strongly believe that either Marquez thought Cortez was going to call the fight off at the moment because of the all the knockdowns, or that for a quick second he was trying to look more hurt than he actually was in order to get a point deduction or possibly a DQ victory after the illegal punch by Pacquiao.

In my opinion Pacquiao deserved a 1 point deduction for that. If everything else remained the same on the judge's scorecard JMM would have won by a split decision.

Thoughts?

Marquez laying flat whilst covering his face was frustration taking over, could have been a grave mistake on Marquez' part but luckily Cortez let it continue.

[CANELOLUJAH]

nah, it was a heat of the moment thing and pacquiao wasn't sure as marquez wasn't down all the way, it's not like mayweather who sees a vulnerable opponent, and always jumps him, he has a history of it

look at him stopping and recognizing that corrales was down and vulnerable, thus like in his nature, he strikes him illegally

give it bro, you making pacquaio look bad lmfao.

I am a pacquaio fan but what you said about Mayweather in that instance is the exact same thing he did to Marquez in the first bout lol.

[ADP02]

You're funny.

Pacquiao stopped hopping around and looked at him for a split second than gave him the lethal left. He knew he was down, he just got caught up in the moment. Be fair.

It still shocks me how no one said jack ****, not even JMM's corner said anything from what I remember of the broadcast..

Since nobody said anything kinda answers the question.

From Manny's angle, Marquez was not on the floor. He was hanging from the ropes and had 1 hand supporting him. So Manny clocked him.

If you look from another angle, one can tell.

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