Tarver: "If Roy is shot, then I shot him"

[Bozo_no no]

Leonard was what 200 years old? Tarver and Roy are the same age. You can say Roy's weight hindered him in the first Tarver fight, but explain the 2nd fight when Roy looked great one round and got KTFO the next. Explain why Roy got KO'ed by Johnson next fight. Explain why Roy ran from Tarver the next fight. He is a changed fighter. All it takes is one knockout. The good fighters rise above it. Other fighters duck into their shell and never come out like Roy did. Tarver would have beat Roy anytime anywhere and you know it. You just can't accept the fact that there is anybody out there that would beat Roy "in his prime". So Tarver isn't in his prime then. Hey, Tarver had to battle back from coke addiction so he had a huge disadvantage. Excuses mean nothing. Ask Tarver.

We've been over this before, and you stop respoding because you have nothing to say, because it gets in the way of your childish hating.

Leonard was what 200 years old?

Leonard was 35 when he lost to Norris. Nice self ownage there. That's the same age Roy was when he lost to Tarver.

The point is, Roy was never the same after cutting that weight at that age, and dispite CLEARLY outpointing him in their 1st fight, he looked slow and old.

Tarver is a fresher hungrier fighter who is a big puncher.

Fighters like Roy (Ali Leonard) are guys who got by on blinding speed and reflex. In each of these cases, these guys were never the same past their mid 30s when their speed and reflex slowed.

It's the fate of a fighter who gets by on those talents. It doesnt' last.

You only continue to show your ignorance with your comments, and clearly illustrate that you're some bitter college kid who's talking about a bunch of fights and fighters you've seen very little of.

[JMCbulls]

Leonard was 35 when he lost to Norris. Nice self ownage there. That's the same age Roy was when he lost to Tarver.

ouch, that hurt.


nice post bozo

[GunStar]

We've been over this before, and you stop respoding because you have nothing to say, because it gets in the way of your childish hating.



Leonard was 35 when he lost to Norris. Nice self ownage there. That's the same age Roy was when he lost to Tarver.

The point is, Roy was never the same after cutting that weight at that age, and dispite CLEARLY outpointing him in their 1st fight, he looked slow and old.

Tarver is a fresher hungrier fighter who is a big puncher.

Fighters like Roy (Ali Leonard) are guys who got by on blinding speed and reflex. In each of these cases, these guys were never the same past their mid 30s when their speed and reflex slowed.

It's the fate of a fighter who gets by on those talents. It doesnt' last.

You only continue to show your ignorance with your comments, and clearly illustrate that you're some bitter college kid who's talking about a bunch of fights and fighters you've seen very little of.

Bozo big difference! First of all Sugar Ray was doing ******* at the time he fought Norris, also Sugar Ray was not knocked out. Sugar Ray was really washed up, Jones didn't show it like Ray did. He just got caught with a perfect punch & was never the same after that fight. Jones became washed up after the Tarver knocked him out.

Many fighter are not the same after they lose. That's why Ali was so great, he lost & came back at an pretty old age stopped the baddest man on the planet in Foremon.

[Derranged]

We've been over this before, and you stop respoding because you have nothing to say, because it gets in the way of your childish hating.



Leonard was 35 when he lost to Norris. Nice self ownage there. That's the same age Roy was when he lost to Tarver.

The point is, Roy was never the same after cutting that weight at that age, and dispite CLEARLY outpointing him in their 1st fight, he looked slow and old.
Tarver is a fresher hungrier fighter who is a big puncher.

Fighters like Roy (Ali Leonard) are guys who got by on blinding speed and reflex. In each of these cases, these guys were never the same past their mid 30s when their speed and reflex slowed.

It's the fate of a fighter who gets by on those talents. It doesnt' last.

You only continue to show your ignorance with your comments, and clearly illustrate that you're some bitter college kid who's talking about a bunch of fights and fighters you've seen very little of.

But can just dropping the weight ruin him like that? Im not arguing against it, Im not an expert, just asking. Im leaning towards yes, because all one has to do is look at Jones vs Woods then just over a year later Jones vs Tarver. There is an obvious difference in speed power and chin.

[Bozo_no no]

Bozo big difference!

There isn't a big difference.

Leonard was showing signs of having slipped as far back as his rematch with Hearns.

also Sugar Ray was not knocked out

That's because he dropped down in weight to 154, and Norris was not the same puncher in his weight class that Tarver is in his. He was dropped several times and dominated.

Sugar Ray was really washed up, Jones didn't show it like Ray did.

Did you watch the 1st Jones Tarver fight? Dispite clearly winning the fight on points, he sure did look as though he'd slowed.



The bottom line is fighters like Roy, Ray, and Ali who were most effective because of their speed and reflex were never the same fighters as the passed their mid 30s.

Bottom line.

[Bozo_no no]

But can just dropping the weight ruin him like that? Im not arguing against it, Im not an expert, just asking. Im leaning towards yes, because all one has to do is look at Jones vs Woods then just over a year later Jones vs Tarver. There is an obvious difference in speed power and chin.

Cutting the weight added to it, but it was at the same time that he turned 35 and 36.

It's no coincdence he began to fade around the same age Leonard and Ali did.

[GunStar]

There isn't a big difference.

Leonard was showing signs of having slipped as far back as his rematch with Hearns.



That's because he dropped down in weight to 154, and Norris was not the same puncher in his weight class that Tarver is in his. He was dropped several times and dominated.



Did you watch the 1st Jones Tarver fight? Dispite clearly winning the fight on points, he sure did look as though he'd slowed.



The bottom line is fighters like Roy, Ray, and Ali who were most effective because of their speed and reflex were never the same fighters as the passed their mid 30s.

Bottom line.

You forgot about the *******. Ray was having problem with ******* during that time, ******* destroyed Whitaker & it also destroyed Ray at that time.


I watched the first fight & I though Tarver won, but still Jones looked the same in his last 3 or 4 fights when before he fought Tarver. You think Jones won, then I don't think you should mention the weight issue, because Jones got knocked out in the second fight, if that was the case, then Jones should've got knocked out in the first fight, which he didn't.

The weight is not a good excuse. Because Jones won the first fight.

[Derranged]

You forgot about the *******. Ray was having problem with ******* during that time, ******* destroyed Whitaker & it also destroyed Ray at that time.


I watched the first fight & I though Tarver won, but still Jones looked the same in his last 3 or 4 fights when before he fought Tarver. You think Jones won, then I don't think you should mention the weight issue, because Jones got knocked out in the second fight, if that was the case, then Jones should've got knocked out in the first fight, which he didn't.

The weight is not a good excuse. Because Jones won the first fight.

Jones didnt look the same. Did not have the same speed and power IMO

[Tha Greatest]

I am not a Jones fan...many classify me as a hater...but this thread is a joke...
Anyone that has NO fat on their body and drops 25 pounds...That will mess them up VERY bad..

Tarver is such a joke it's not even funny.
I do hate Jones, too....a lot...

[Bozo_no no]

You forgot about the *******. Ray was having problem with ******* during that time, ******* destroyed Whitaker & it also destroyed Ray at that time.


I watched the first fight & I though Tarver won, but still Jones looked the same in his last 3 or 4 fights when before he fought Tarver. You think Jones won, then I don't think you should mention the weight issue, because Jones got knocked out in the second fight, if that was the case, then Jones should've got knocked out in the first fight, which he didn't.

The weight is not a good excuse. Because Jones won the first fight.

You have no idea how much coke Ray was doing or when. As I pointed out, he started to fade long before the Norris fight.

And if you thought Tarver won the 1st fight, you have no idea how a fight is scored. Even giving Tarver a draw in that fight is suspect with Roy sweeping the championship rounds.

He looked faded in the 1st Tarver fight. Your notion that he needed to be KO'd in the 1st fight to have the weight be a factor in non sense.

The weight was not specificly the reason, it just added to it. He was not the same fighter at 35 that he was years before, because like Ali and Leonard, he was a guy that relied heavilly on speed and reflex, and in both their cases they began to fade around the same age in their respective careers.

And suggesting Roy looked the same in the 1st Tarver fight that he did in his previous 4 fights is utter non sesne. When you add that notion to your suggestion you thought Tarver won the 1st fight with Jones it's becoming more and more clear how much your opinion is worht here.