Tyson Fury to possibly give Bellator a try?

[kafkod]

It's not about being supermen, it's about having a few months of training in something vs someone with a lifetime of dedication. Cain grew up a wrestler, that's his background. It would take him a matter of seconds to put someone on the mat that hadn't also spent years in developing and perfecting technique on how to reverse or stuff said take downs.

If Fury and Cain fought in a boxing match, I'd give Fury the win 99 times out of 100, and if Fury went into a cage for an MMA fight, it's Cain's for the taking 99 out of 100 times. To me the debate about boxers going into MMA or MMA fighters trying out boxing is like getting Usain Bolt and Mo Farah to run a race. Who wins? Well it depends on if it's a 10,000 meter run or a 100 meter dash. Now that doesn't mean that an elite athlete can't switch sports and thrive in both, but that takes years of dedication, not just a couple of months before going against one of the best in the world.

Fury has trained with MMA fighters and kickboxers at the gym he uses in Begium, so he wouldn't be completely naive in an MMA fight.

I disagree with your assessment of his chances vs Cain in boxing and MMA.

In boxing, Cain would not have even a 1% chance of beating Fury. Fury would win every time.

In MMA, I really have no idea how it would turn out, and neither does anyone else. We've never seen a prime world class boxer in an MMA fight, so I'm going to call it a 50/50 fight.

[toshmurph]

I've competed as a boxer and kickboxer, so I know how the boxing stance needs to be adjusted if your legs are going to be targeted in a fight by someone who knows what he's doing.
When I first started learning kickboxing - as a boxer - my main sparring partner was the British and European pro kickboxing champ. Whenever he spotted me setting my feet to throw punches he would drop down and sweep my lead leg out from under me, then tell that if he'd used a front kick to the knee instead, that would have been my cartiledge smashed.
I'm too old to compete nowadays, but I still train and I spar, including grappling, with MMA guys who train at the same gym and do ok.
They're not Cain Velasquez, but I'm not a 6.9, 18 st world class heavyweight boxer either.
Can you post evidence about Cain offering to fight Fury and Fury backing down ... links, videos, whatever? Because I don't believe it ever happened.

So you have some idea of what you could expect, but a Kickboxer is a striker just like a boxer! Add to that a division 1/2 wrestler, do you know how to adjust then?

Now try to string it all together... Trying to find an opening to land your punch, while in your mind wondering if you'll need to check a kick or if your opponent wants to shoot a takedown... Only for him to blast you with a straight right down the pipe!

The boxers stance, which most certainly is a problem, regardless of you "adjusting", is only the first hurdle! You also need to take into account 4oz MMA gloves, you said that mma guys wouldn't be able to deal with a boxer punching them with... That's true, if the boxer could land, see there's a huge difference defending blows with boxing gloves than mma. The same defences don't work because punches slip through! Fury and other boxers would be at a huge disadvantage as the mma guys know what it takes to block a punch with them!

Then take into account high kicks! How do the block those?? Because just putting your hands up isn't going to work for fury if he had a K1 champ like Alistair Overeem throwing those poles at him, it'll break his arm like kindling if he tried...

What I'm saying is just the tip of a very dangerous iceberg! Now like I said before I'm a boxing fan, but I'm also a realist! It's a big, dark, deep ocean MMA.. And there's a lot of sharks, fury wouldn't beat any top 10 guys, whatsoever!

Regarding the Dana White thing here's an article from last year

http://mmajunkie.com/2013/04/dana-white-issues-challenge-to-boxer-tyson-fury-you-will-get-smashed

After White said that, Furys twitter page went silent!

[RichCCFC]

Utter moron but if guys like Bob Sapp, Hong Man Choi and that fat Sumo guy can fight top MMA heavyweights then why not? I don' think he will tho, way more money to be made in boxing.

[toshmurph]

Utter moron but if guys like Bob Sapp, Hong Man Choi and that fat Sumo guy can fight top MMA heavyweights then why not? I don' think he will tho, way more money to be made in boxing.

There's a big difference between fighting and winning!

[Dr Rumack]

Some athletes like Fury are just genetically gifted and would probably excel at any sport they turned their hand to.

[toshmurph]

Some athletes like Fury are just genetically gifted and would probably excel at any sport they turned their hand to.

Yeah you're right... I could totally see fury excelling in Darts and Bowling!!

[SN!PER]

Yeah you're right... I could totally see fury excelling in Darts and Bowling!!

Imagine Tyson Fury's colossal power transferred into a golf swing. With a little training, he'll put Tiger Woods to shame.

[kafkod]

So you have some idea of what you could expect, but a Kickboxer is a striker just like a boxer! Add to that a division 1/2 wrestler, do you know how to adjust then?

Now try to string it all together... Trying to find an opening to land your punch, while in your mind wondering if you'll need to check a kick or if your opponent wants to shoot a takedown... Only for him to blast you with a straight right down the pipe!

The boxers stance, which most certainly is a problem, regardless of you "adjusting", is only the first hurdle! You also need to take into account 4oz MMA gloves, you said that mma guys wouldn't be able to deal with a boxer punching them with... That's true, if the boxer could land, see there's a huge difference defending blows with boxing gloves than mma. The same defences don't work because punches slip through! Fury and other boxers would be at a huge disadvantage as the mma guys know what it takes to block a punch with them!

Then take into account high kicks! How do the block those?? Because just putting your hands up isn't going to work for fury if he had a K1 champ like Alistair Overeem throwing those poles at him, it'll break his arm like kindling if he tried...

What I'm saying is just the tip of a very dangerous iceberg! Now like I said before I'm a boxing fan, but I'm also a realist! It's a big, dark, deep ocean MMA.. And there's a lot of sharks, fury wouldn't beat any top 10 guys, whatsoever!

Regarding the Dana White thing here's an article from last year

http://mmajunkie.com/2013/04/dana-white-issues-challenge-to-boxer-tyson-fury-you-will-get-smashed

After White said that, Furys twitter page went silent!

So Dana White said Fury should come on over at some obscure Q&A session.
That's hardley offering him a fight with Cain. I doubt Fury even knew White had said that.

Do you really believe what you wrote there about about MMA fighters being better at defending against punches than boxers? I mean, seriously?

Fury's punches would be faster, more accurate and much harder than anything Cain has experienced before. And There's no way Cain would be catching Fury with any head kicks. Lol.

I'm not saying Fury would beat Cain, and I'm not even sure if his challenge was serious or not. But if it happened he would definitely have a chance. One clean punch from Fury is all it would take to end the fight there and then.

Pro MMA is not the deep, dark pool you think it is. Boxing is a much bigger sport, with more competition and much more money to won. And more money, of course, means a better calibre of athlete, overall.

There's a big difference between fighting and winning!

Ray Mercer, who was pushing 50 at the time, KO'd former UFC champion Tim Sylvia in his first ever MMA fight.

[juggernaut666]

So Dana White said Fury should come on over at some obscure Q&A session.
That's hardley offering him a fight with Cain. I doubt Fury even knew White had said that.

Do you really believe what you wrote there about about MMA fighters being better at defending against punches than boxers? I mean, seriously?

Fury's punches would be faster, more accurate and much harder than anything Cain has experienced before. And There's no way Cain would be catching Fury with any head kicks. Lol.

I'm not saying Fury would beat Cain, and I'm not even sure if his challenge was serious or not. But if it happened he would definitely have a chance. One clean punch from Fury is all it would take to end the fight there and then.

Pro MMA is not the deep, dark pool you think it is. Boxing is a much bigger sport, with more competition and much more money to won. And more money, of course, means a better calibre of athlete, overall.




Ray Mercer, who was pushing 50 at the time, KO'd former UFC champion Tim Sylvia in his first ever MMA fight.

seems like you are in some type of denial here...Dana made it perfectly clear he would make the match and pay whatever furys price was...as far as this joke of a fioight you have here...it was ORIGINALY a boxing match and was later changed to MMA b/c of rules in a different state,but BOTh fighters agreed to keep it a standing match /boxing only with MMA gloves on..Sylvia couldn't even out box old couture so this fight is a joke...more like the terrible MMa fighter Kimbo slice beating up Ray Mercer is what would happen to fury,to call that a 50/50 fight is very laughable...Cain would win 5 out of 5 if he wants.

[juggernaut666]

Have you any evidence to back that up?

If not, I'm going to assume it's bull****.

I don't need to back it up,the video was clearly before white issued and welcomed furys challenge!the end.