Comments Thread For: Roach Using De La Hoya Loss For Mayweather Strategy

[SkillspayBills]

My comments was strictly based on dudes comment not on how I thing the fight will go in total.

But for damn sure distance will play a major factor.

Absolutely. He who controls distance controls the bout in it's entirety. Can Manny get in with his 4-5 punch combos without taking too much damage on the way in? Can Floyd counter and move out of punching range before Pac can counterattack? Find out on the next episode of Dragonball Z...

[BigAub]

Yep, the physical and smarts are heavy in Floyd's corner. I like your power reference. I just don't see Manny's power anymore. He killed Rios, but never really hurt him. Algeria, was just overwhelmed. So much conversations center around those 2 fights. Rios was picked to make Manny look good.

Now, flaws. Watch Manny left hand when he jabs, he drops it, and is wide open for a counter punch. Watch Marquez, Bradley, and Algeria counter his lazy jab.

What about the hop, hop, and then jump in Lunging, with no regards to defense. See Marquez, Morales, etc. He also never reacts or protects his body. Watch Bradley and Marquez attack his body, and he doesnt respond. You can't do that against Floyd who goes to the body well.

Now, I'm more concerned with Manny right hook. Hurt Cotto, and Marquez. How does Floyd react to this weapon. Madiana, Mosley, and Oscar hit him with the right hand.

I really don't believe Freddie can adapt as the fight goes on, but I also believe that they're going for a knockout, which is their on hope to win the fight. That means he will be careless, and get caught.

Yeah he does throw the right more often these days . But he cant set it up..He more or less just wings it. If you go back and watch the mosley/Paq fight you'll see Naazim saying we exposed this guy and shown everyone the blueprint. He was talking about how Mosley , even when hurt, was able to circle and keep distance and Paq was lost as to what to do. I think he'll be reduced to swinging for the fences in the late rounds.

[JrX]

Yeah he does throw the right more often these days . But he cant set it up..He more or less just wings it. If you go back and watch the mosley/Paq fight you'll see Naazim saying we exposed this guy and shown everyone the blueprint. He was talking about how Mosley , even when hurt, was able to circle and keep distance and Paq was lost as to what to do. I think he'll be reduced to swinging for the fences in the late rounds.

Mosley also wanted to quit after Pac dropped him and hit him "like never before" to quote him. We'll c if Pac can get in there, but i c floyd going for the safe win after he feels Pac can give him trouble.

[BigAub]

You're absolutely correct. He wanted to quit and was popped like never before. But even in that state was able to keep him off of him for the rest of the fight. Thats my point if he couldnt find a way to cut the ring off and press Mosley who was scared out of his skull , how is he going to do that to someone who thinks movement and defense first and foremost? You're right though I believe may will make this an easy , safe fight. Most people will say it was a boring fight and he was scared but if you like that sort of boxing you'll be pleased.

[aboutfkntime]

ODL had fought once in 3 years prior to the Floyd fight and admitted to doing coke and other drugs leading up to that fight and he still almost got the decision. A younger Hoya would have won that fight.
Pac is an active fighter just outside of his prime and has the speed to give Floyd trouble.
Now Floyd has usually adjusted pretty easily to those type of guys and figured them out, but if Pac can take the early rounds with activity and make Floyd engage it could be interesting.

Nah, but cool story.

[aboutfkntime]

Because it doesn't matter! You can't create a game plan for someone who adjust on the fly. Roach is making this fight to much about him and not the fighters! This fight is about the fighters and who can adjust to one another. This isn't about Roach, but who's a superior fighter! Nothing Roach says matters! I can't wait to hear him in the corner. I bet if PAC loses he will through him under the bus and say that he didn't follow the game plan!!!

That is true, the real test for Freddie will be how he handles the corner.

[aboutfkntime]

True...that means you need a plan a and b. I haven't followed Freddie's early career. I know he's had several champions that he trained. I'm just not sold on his ability as a trainer. I've always said that the trainer needs to protect his fighter by addressing his flaws. I know he's an offensive trainer, but how hard is it to correct balance.

Some on this forum will say Manny is just aggressive. okay, it's called effective aggressive why protecting yourself. I have a lot of respect for Manny. Great, humble champion, but he's over his head in this fight.

I think so too.

IMHO, the real test for Freddie will be how he handles the corner.

e.g.

Robert Garcia..... imho, I dont think he is that great a trainer for technical fighters..... but, he is a great cornerman, one of the best.

Mikey was primarily trained by Eduardo Garcia.

Imho, Donaire regressed under Robert.

[aboutfkntime]

First, ODH won the fight.

2nd, From that fight on Jr went south:
Little men, wee little guy, Old champs, B and C fighters. JR has not been tested. WE don't know if he is game to stay in a war.

He crys when Cut.

He crys to the ref for help.

He cheap shots a guy.

He bluffs

All these signs tell me if he gets into a battle, gets hurt in the first couple of rounds,

and

THEN trys to do his usual thing against his wore out foes and mounts a ballerina come back to win,,,,,but finds HE CAN'T do it with PAC,

Then

WE DON"T KNOW IF HE WILL CRUMBLE DO WE ? hahahahahaha

Pac has answered all the questions,,,,JR has NOT and its those intangibles that will determine this fight.

I have NEVER seen or known of a great fighter that did the things that JR does , crying etc..... and fought the best and stayed undefeated.

JR's coming out party is fixing to happen.

Jr being EXPOSED is what it is

IF PAC will dump the compassion for fight he can come back to full compassion after, if he will, JR will more than likely QUIT when he can't do his thang in the latter end of the fight.

First, log off dummy.

Didn't read past the bold.

[aboutfkntime]

Oscar lost that fight because he abandoned his jab later in the fight. Manny is going to have to stay busy and throw and land more than Floyd in this fight. Floyd gonna have to take advantage of his reach and use that counter right hand that still haunts pa man to this day. They couldn't stop it from Marquez and they sure as hell are going to have a hard time against Floyd.

abandoned
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adjective
adjective: abandoned

1.
having been deserted or left.
"an abandoned car"

What do you mean by abandoned ?

He just..... forgot ?

[Left Hook Tua]

abandoned
601;712;band(601nd/

adjective
adjective: abandoned

1.
having been deserted or left.
"an abandoned car"

What do you mean by abandoned ?

He just..... forgot ?

abandoned is also a past tensed verb, smarty pants.